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Currently Being ModeratedRe: Shotguns are so annoying!
Comparing stats from a pre-buffed gun to a buffed gun is kinda squiffy at best also if you read instead of just reacting to segments that was with the the buffed spas-12 which I screwed with on seatown and I think you'll find I said 6-7 kills (which to my 1 death while using it is a kd of 6 to 7)all 1 shot apart from a dude who 1 time took 3 and the other when the same dude was on top of the skip took 2 but there's always a guy who seems to sponge bullets in each match whereas pre-buff the spas was a bugger sometimes **** others you couldn't bye a kill now post buff it seems to be a pretty much a guaranteed kill which up close as again I said before it should be but the range is insane.
Any gun that you don't have to be fully locked in on them and still hit one shot kill is not a skilled weapon. However if you think they are then thats all that matters as opinions are just thoese you thought I was a lying troll and that turned out to be false also
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Currently Being ModeratedRe: Shotguns are so annoying!
It's not knee jerk at all. I kinda feel like you where insinuating that the shotguns where easy to use and then using your, 'See I got lot's of kills with the random one I picked up' as a proof to support your position. Lot's of kills doens't mean jack ****, it's the k/d ratio that matters. For example, give some one a pair of akimbo mp9's, now change those mp9's into fmg's and not only are they likely to get more kills, but also to have fewer deaths because they have a more effective weapon that is easier to use.
If you have a ton of kills and even close to the same amount of deaths, you're not being a good player, and if it's do to a weapon, than that is certainly not an overpowered or easy to use weapon by any means. To do well with the model requires constant thought, strategy and planning, and a **** load of gunfight skill. I work my ass of for every damn kill and advantage i have with that gun! I use every tactic I have to win fights, and that's why I do well with it. Not because it's an easy weapon to use.
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Currently Being ModeratedRe: Shotguns are so annoying!
I wasn't insuating anything I came out and said it the point of ease of use for myself is in how difficult is it to get a kill with a certain weapon and for myself shotties are easy to get a kill with as for not being a good player my kd may suck it's around 1.26 but I only play kill confirmed and pretty much every round I nail the accolades for most kills confirmed and denies and 9 times out of 10 finish top 3 not bragging just pointing out that a massive kd does not point to someone who plays a gametype well as in sometimes you have to eat a death to nab a load of tags the only gamemode kd means anythig is T.D.
As for maintaing a good KD with shotguns there is the rub I ran with them pre-buff and in the first couple of days of the game coming out (apart from the odd one I pick up when some dude is going on about the skills involved and how I should leave) and I only used them on ceratain maps Seatown (which even now i'm not entirely comfortable on) and Mission. (apart from the striker which I rushed through)
The half dozen times i've picked up a shottie in the past couple of days I have nailed between 3-6 kills before dying as now I know the maps so can now use the shotguns a lot better. The kd issue was one of lack of map knowledge(as in knowing how to get to areas where the shotgun is at home) not within the weapon(as inafter the first couple of minutes of stupid deaths you get afeel for its range,damage and fire speed as in the model) itself plus even back then I loved my little stinger which after a reaper normally leds to death with your gun in your hand.
I said before different people find different guns hard to use for me thats the type95 and I hate the mp5. Personally I find shotguns easy to pick up and use as in get a couple of kills just like I found the RSASS very easy to use. Again it's all subjective and in this case I belive the ultimate man Ron Burgundy says it best "Agree to disagree"
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Currently Being ModeratedRe: Shotguns are so annoying!
Shotguns are annoying, but for the opposite reason to what you are saying. The maps don't suit them on MW3 (try "Bloc" or "Shipwork" on COD4:MW). They have a really short range but again, with MW3 maps, that still allows them to get easy kills. However, at the same time, you cannot get a really good run with them as you are too easily killed from short-medium range, especially on the smaller maps where a noisey/slowloading SG is jumped upon by nearby enemies in moments.
Stop the jumping in the game - that's a bigger issue - I shot at a guy with an AR yesterday, he jumped my bullets and shotgunned me midair, a OHK. It was so BS, so unfair. I hate to use the word realism because this thread will "go off" bigtime but seriously, why not add the backflip sommersault or cartwheel bullet dodging I've seen in golden oldie action films?
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Currently Being ModeratedRe: Shotguns are so annoying!
What's more annoying is in a lobby of 12 players there are going to be
7 people using AR's and akimbo machine pistols
2 people with MP7 and akimbo machine pistols
1 guy with a striker
1 guy trying to QS
and me... with a gold 1887.
And I'm the one picking up "easy, cheap" kills eh?
ANYONE can crouch around the map hugging the walls, hiding behind head glitches with an AR and post "decent" numbers.
Personally I believe it's harder to use a weapon that:
a. isn't full auto.
b. has limited range (even with the prof, it's still limited)
c. may or may not kill in 1,2,3,or even 4 shots. (had it happen a lot)
d. requires more thought in how you move effectively move through the map, cap obj's,....not camp.. that whole thing.
That's ok though..
Keep telling yourself it's not "easy mode" to run with the usual suspect of weapons.
Oh yeah, and to the guy above me here...
If you weren't crouch walking, shooting at peoples' groins maybe it wouldn't be so easy for people with shotties to jump over your shots and kill you.
Just sayin'
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If you can pick up a gun you don't run with and still use it well enough to string together 6-7 kills then it's kind've hard to argue the gun is "hard" to use.
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That is far from a valid representation of a gun, picking it up randomly one time. It's the consitently using it that will show you how easy or hard a weapon is to use. Fact is, el2kay has it right, and getting a good game with the model requires a lot more skill on all levels than pretty much every gun in the game. You don't use it more than the odd time tho, so how would you know. Getting lucky with a shot gun and having some easy kills just come your way is not super hard to believe... Consitently doing well with it tho, that's another story. If you want to practice with them tho, I'd reccomend dome or underground.
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Currently Being ModeratedRe: Shotguns are so annoying!
I miss the extra extended mags pellets, making ppl cry over the mic was a joy. I mean you can still make ppl cry but you're a free kill a lot too now do to the high amount of insane hitmarkers the spas now gets maxed out too in his comfort zone.
Ask nicely and I'll switch to a RF PP90 as automatics are indeed much harder to use & less effective on these maps allround, lol.
Can't tell if OP is trolling or retarded or just horrible at this game.
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I think it's the playstyle thats harder to master than the guns themselves I don't deny (and i've never said different) to do well overall as in maintain a high kd and still play what ever objective is in question takes a certain outlook and I have no issues with shotguns.
My issue is the constant proclimation of skill involved in the weapon itself how many people running shot guns do you see doing well as in your definition of high kd? if your honest then you know they are in the minority and 90% of the time they finish low and contribute little
How many people do you see pumping off shots at ranges like the top of the corridor that leads down to the tunnel to the bottom in hard hat and still getting a 2 shot kill and other ranges you know are just a tad far.
I've said it dozens of times the style of play is hard to master if you want a high KD however if you just want a chunk of kills and don't care about K/D then shotguns can be used by anyone to gain kills which makes the weapon in my opinion easy to use.
You can't always just pick up an LMG, MK14 or AK.47 and the FAD and know your gonna get a few kills however shotguns will get you kills everytime or at least everytime i've picked them up.
Like everything in this world not everyone finds the samethings difficult to learn as I keep repeating I can't use the type95 for crap and yet people go on about it being easy it's all in the person using it.
Now diatribe aside Dome is a good place for the model? does that go for kill confirmed because on that one 9 times out of 10 people are like headless chickens I gotta say that level is a 50/50 for me i'm thinking of trying an lmg there but want to avoid camping out I really love nabbing tags speaking of which i'm off to play MW3 these forums are to stressful
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