Jan 30, 2012 5:59 AM
Assassin Idea...
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Assasain Pro is by far the most powerful perk in MW3. I really don't hate Assassain too much, but I was watching someone do a commentary on YouTube bitching about Assassain and although I disagreed with the majority of what they said, when the went through the list of what Assasain Pro gives you it is amazing.
I have an idea that I think would balance out the perk, while not making it completely useless. The point of Assassain is for it to be a stealth perk. Its really meant for guys flanking, or moving about the map undetected, and its not really meant to be used by some douche sitting in the corner with a silenced AR ADSed at a doorway waiting for some unsuspecting person to walk by.
So here's my idea, keep Assassain exactly how it is, however it only works if they player is moving. As long as the player is moving they stay off radar, HB sensors, AUAV and portable radars. If they stop or are sitting in a corner, then they show up on the radar. I feel like this is the best solution to the Assassain camping issue. Guys that use the perk correctly still get the full benefit, douche bags sitting in a corner don't. I think this would make everyone happy, and I feel like it is the best way to fix this perk.
Anyone agree or have another idea?
agree
So if you are shot or reloading, and you duck behind cover, you should show up on radar, just making sure I am hearing you right. All they need to do is lose the EMP, and AUAV Immunity, and the problem is solved.
lol not exactly...i always thought a 5 sec rule could be applied... cuz there are people that will spawn and run to their cool spot and stay there..each time they spawn they do that lol...i'd say a 5 sec. limit
That could work, I would, just rather see them add, an actual counter to the perk, since it is the only one that does not have a true counter.
Yes, you are understanding me correctly.
Honestly, how long does it take you to reload, 2 seconds? What is that, one UAV sweep? If you aren't camping and are simply dropping behind cover to reload, I don't think getting caught on one sweep of the UAV is the biggest deal.
If you're droping behind cover because you got shot, someone already knows where you are. Being on the radar for a couple sweeps when the enemy already knows your position again isn't the biggest deal since its pretty hard to be stealthy when you're in the middle of a gunfight with someone.
I actually agree with the EMP and AUAV immunity. The more I play, the more I hate the support package. 12 and 18 points aren't too hard at all to attain throughout the course of a match. The AUAV is similar to the Black Bird, but 8 consecutive kills versus 12 points during the course of a match are completely different. With support streaks so easy to get, I feel like there should be a counter to them, and I think Assassains immunity to both of those is perfectly acceptable.
I agree. It's not an option to take the perk out, unless UAV's are taken out as well, so that won't happen. It isn't too powerful either, it should be immune to EMP's due to the fact those are spammed because they are - for some weird reason- in the support package and are spammed. It's a great rusher perk, but unfortunately people use it to make the game slow paced as hell by camping with it.
I totally agree with nerfing the perk, but i don't think your solution is the right way to go. Call of duty is a somewhat reality based game, and showing on radar when sitting still just doesn't make any sense. Also, it still doesn't affect those assassin users I hate the most who can just run and gun where ever they want without being seen and backstab you all the time. A better solution in my opinion is a mix between Black Ops and MW3 where ghost users can be seen by Blackbird but where the perk ghost is split into like assassin and blind eye in the SAME tier, so you have to choose between being stealthy or being invisible to air support. A way to still be totally stealthy would then be the strike package Specialist which needs a high killstreak and keeps the skill aspect in the game.
Putting Assassain and Blind Eye in the same perk teir makes perfect sense to me as well, I definitely agree there, and I hope thats something Treyarch is looking at doing in the next title.
There really is no BlackBird in MW3. The AUAV is far to easy to get, and I think that Assassain users should remain immune to it. 8 consecutive kills versus 12 points during the course of an entire match are completely different. If they were to put another BlackBird like killstreak in the game where it showed Ghost/Assassain users, IMO it would have to be in the Assault Package. I hate the support package in general, and giving them something as powerful as the BlackBird would be pretty stupid IMO
I agree with you about AUAV, btw this video on youtube might be interesting:
Agree. Also there should have been a stronger advanced UAV in the assault that included assassin users. I agree if you have a UAV up and they are not moving they should be on the radar.
Look how the ppl get instantly worried about being seen. OHHHH not fair I wanna sit in the corner just to reload my gun.. Or do you just want to sit in the corner and reload cancel for 2 min.
Though I dont think Ghost and Blind eye should be in the same tier. I just want ppl to stop playing like @ssholes.
Losing your kill streak to an Assassin Pro corner camper is hardly game breaking just an annoyance I'm afraid. And as for Assassin Pro runners and gunners...... They're playing the game as should be played! They'll have little advantage as long as you are moving too,
I'm guessing that you are encountering these guys mostly in TDM? Where K/D is what they are playing for? Well good luck to them!
I would suggest having more variety in your loadouts. Having different setups for different game modes. And if you find yourself constantly UVA spammed when your teammates are all Assassin Pro'd up or you're up against a few ninjas yourself well........use Assassin Pro?
There is nothing wrong with Assassin.
The perk has been in EVERY CoD title since CoD4.
It was not OP in CoD4
It was not OP in WaW
It was not OP in MW2
It wasn't until Fail Ops came along with the game breaking SR71 wallhack killstreak (with no effective counter - counter uav only lasts 1/2 as long = not effective in any way) and the non stackable killstreaks.
Ghost was only really useful in Black Ops for remaining undetected by killstreaks (the main reason 99.9% of people used ghost) Especially once you realize that it's nearly impossible to play a game of Black Ops without seeing at least 2 SR71's called in. I frequently got 3-4+ SR71's myself per game back when I played it.
The "ghost campers" everyone complained about existed SOLELY because the killstreaks did not stack. People would hit their first streak and go into ubercamp mode to try to get the others.
There are two reasons why people started complaining about ghost in Fail Ops
1) They often called in chopper gunners and had no red boxes on the map to spawnkill (since anyone with half a brain switched to ghost whenever a heli came out) This leads to rage at being unable to use the killstreak they camped so hard to obtain.
2) They got a taste of what it's like to see EVERY enemy on the radar in real time and they LIKED it. This led to people becoming more upset whenever they were killed by a ghost user hidden from a UAV. (I heard some of the most vulgar hateful language directed at me in Fail Ops for using ghost after I killed someone with their UAV up)
Every argument I've heard to nerf Assassin is just plain pathetic. Just face the fact that you want things hella easy like they were in Fail Ops. (My average kdr in CoD games is 2.0 - In Black Ops it's over 5.0.... Black Ops = easymode CoD)
The OMG Assassin does SO many more things argument is one of the most pathetic.. It really doesn't, people just like to break apart it's features into detailed lists so it seems more OP.
You can take several of the perks and say they are OP.
Blast Shield for example
It protects from explosives
but to someone with Assassin is OP mentality Blast shield should be listed like this
Blast shield
Protects against Claymores
Protects against Betties
Protects against RPG
Protects against Nades
Protects against C4
Protects against IMS
Protects against Underbarrel Launchers
Protects against XM-25
Protects against Javelin
Cold Blooded Pro was NOT considered OP by anyone in any way shape or form in MW2 and guess what, it did MORE than Assassin does now!!!
So seriously stop crying for them to fix something that IS NOT BROKEN!! If you REALLY need your map SO BADLY then go back to Fail Ops.
If you really believe Assassin is OP then you are an idiot. Go back to Black Ops and have fun with the SR71 wallhack and people camping for killstreaks.
Seriously if Assassin is OP then MW3 is simply too hard for you, you need to stick with easymode CoD (aka Black Ops)
I sense some rage on the way! lol
But we're right. Nothing wrong with it. Use it when you have to. Don't when you don't. Simples.
Dude, what are you talking about, did someone call YOU an idiot? When you bring up blast shield as an example of OP perks you totally lose your credibilit. Also, Cold blooded was not op because of the lack of damage. In Black Ops, you could get the black bird on a killstreak of 8 kills, which is fairly hard to get and should be rewarded for it in the way they did. The only way in which Black Ops failed was because of the OP perk ghost, and I bet you used it all the time to maintain your high killstreaks. In your opinion ghost should include invisiblity against blackbird so you'd have a 7 k/d? Please don't say anything anymore because it all just doesn't make any sense, stop trolling.
He never said Blastshield Pro is overpowered. It's more the fact that people are compiling lists to prove the point picking up on every little thing. The point is ANY perk can be broken down into all it's contributing factors. Just to prove their point,
You can't compare one thing to another. Invisibilty on radar is worth much more then LESS explosive damage. I get killed by frags all the time when i use blast shield, but assassin users don't show on the radar when there are 5 uavs or auavs in the air. The fact that at least 50% of the players in a game use it shows that assassin is an overpowered perk.
How many times are you going to miss the point? lol
It isn't overpowered. No perk is overpowered. They have their advantages and disadvantages. You can sit and compile lists all day of any perk's strengths and weaknesses.
It depends on game mode or situation during the game. If it isn't working out for you change your loadout.
Get out of that box lol, no nothing is overpowered, Activision is perfect, it's not them it's me? Please just think about it 1 minute. The only way to counter Assassin is to use it myself. And since I hate the damp perk I don't feel good getting 50-2 games with assassin either. Playing with the feeling I am better then someone else is the reason why I play this game, but those assassin "cheaters" make this amazingly hard.
I only use if there's constant UVA spam or heartbeat sensors kicking about.
If you or someone else is going 50-2 with Assassin Pro it's because you're good at the game not because of some game breaking perk. There are plenty of useless newbs using it, camping in remote corners in HQ or Domi trying to get killstreaks and not playing the objective. Assassin Pro doesn't make mediocre players amazing. It just makes their dull game play easier for them. They won't win you games.
As for runners or gunners? It's all about perk 3. Dead silence that makes them vunerable to trip explosive equipment or stalker that makes them vunerable to audiable footsteps. Using recon or sitrep can negate their play style.
You know better than to be chasing red dots anyway.
We both know you know ALL of this ![]()
I really like your idea, but there should be 2 situations were you don't show up on UAV etc while you're not moving:
1: taking/ planting/ defusing an objective (Flags, planting or defusing bombs or taking other objectives like HQ pro and Drop Zone
2: While you're scoping in with a sniper. If you don't do this you'll destroy the last piece of real sniping.
Hows about people stop moaning and leave the perk alone!!!
No the perk is fine on paper. But when you combine it with @ssholes than it needs to be fixed. If everyone on this forum is one of the 5% rushers with this perk. Then non of you should have an issue with the nerf. But again Im sure that some of you guys just ads with your skirt on all game long.
Moan moan moam YAAAAAAWWWNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If its so OP'd use it yourself and get even instead of constant moaning
If you think this thread is so useless leave it ?
Where at any point in my post did I say Assassain was overpowered? Most powerful doesn't mean its overpowered. As for constant moaning, I'm not doing that either. Instead of coming on here whining about how many Assassain dbags are sitting in corners with an ACR Silenced with a Heartbeat Sensor, I came up with a pretty legitmate comprimise. I'm not complaining about Assassain, I was simply looking for a way to make this game more fast paced, which is not really a bad thing
Useless?? didnt see that word anywhere?
What im saying is that you cant expect an in game perk to be changed because a few people decide "tghey" dont like it. As ive said 101 times, instead of crying about it being Op'd use it yourself.
That is the same thought process that killed MW2. Instead of the community agreeing on a whole not to exploit the MLC tact knife or OMA DC tubes, ppl like you said ahhh just use it and make the game suck forever. I know there isnt much that can be done but by complaining about things we let the company know what is liked, loved, disliked and hated. Lets just get it right foir the nxt game. 3arc is listening to the community trust me.
Again, where did I say that Assassain was OP? Did you even read my post. Assassain bothers me the way it is now because it makes camping so much easier, and makes the game so much slower paced. With small maps no match should ever go to the time limit, but its been happening more and more. I was simply making a suggestion on how to make the game faster paced, which is something I know a lot of the community would like
They (typo)
I think there is a few things that need to be changed, it needs a true counter for one. But, I also believe if the Lag issues ever get fixed, people will stop corner hugging the whole match. I think the lag has a big contribution to this.
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Recon and recon drone already exist
Recon drone isnt a real viable option IMO. I cant kill if Im in it. Recon sure but can pretty much is negated by ninja. Im not saying it needs to be a counter that is easy as a UAV to get. But like a 10 assault killstreak blackbird that shows assassin would have been enough.
I have tagged many an assassin user whilst using the drone so it is a proper counter imo
I don't like this idea, because when you think about it most fire fights I'm in I don't move. I'm usually behind cover or I know someone is coming and adjust myself for the surprise attack. I move alot but most of my kills come from a set up I create and I'm not moving
Agreed. I disagree because of the same issue. If something surprises me, which isn't often, I am going to stop and slow my playstyle. In no way do I ever camp, I constantly flank.
Exactly your hiding in a bush or behind a head glitch the whole game. Most times im in a gun fight Im usually still moving. Im not running alot but usually straying slowly to behind cover or moving to the right (opponents left) cause all guns recoil somewhat to the right.