Well said, since there is no actual friendly fire it should be called HardCore Suicide Mode as only the shooter/killstreak originator dies along with the enemy as you point out. After about 30 minutes of this mode last night, I hate to say it but I went back to playing Black Ops  Hardcore CTF because, for the most part, that game mode actually works...

I was really enjoying MW3 with the HC Dom...the updated version seems wrong for me. I guess if you like core with no mini map it's a great mode for some folks.

For me, not that it matters to anyone else, I will drop back to Blops for now...

If your not paying attention and dropping KS on your team mates and are upset your dying then you must have sucked when it was non-ricochet.

As for griefers stepping in front of your bullets. That's just retarded, if your paying attention that wont work, I know because people tried that a lot in ricochet in BLOP's.

People who would grief you in ricochet will grief you in non-ricochet. At least now they cant TK you and take your crate, TK you when diffusing bombs, or TK you just because they can.

Ricochet changes some of the HC mechanics but in the end its still, don't shoot or do anything that will cause a TK because now it only effects you.

I played HC Dom for a few hours after the ricochet patch came out and it still felt exactly like HC. I didn't once TK so I never even noticed the ricochet aspect. Even if I had, it would of been my fault it happened, not his. SO why should he suffer because someone sucks and probably should not play that mode due to a lack of skill and understanding of what its about.

HC is not all about friendly fire. Their are 4 aspects to HC: significantly less life, limited HUD, no kill-cam, and friendly fire.

Even with ricochet taking over the traditional friendly fire you still have all the other aspects just the same. Friendly fire isn't the defining aspect of HC. its only 1 aspect that if you don't TK to begin with you would almost never notice.

I thought Treyarch blew it with the Bombs and Flags gong show.  That was almost brilliant compared to making every single HC mode ricochet.  From both sides of the TK coin, I would guess that at least 80% of TKs are the fault of the person that dies.  The idiot who steps in front of your gun while your firing.  The brain dead with no mic that goes happy assing into the area you called an airstrike or threw a grenade.

Im on holiday, and thus havent suffered through all of this ricochet garbage yet, but all of these posts arent making me hopeful. I hate to say it, as I had terrible lag issues no matter what I did, but I may have to make a return to Blops if it truly is as bad as everyone is making it seem.

As of now I only play HC KC, and while I don't like ricochet, its not awful. Yes, the precision airstrike is a great way to kill yourself 3 times in a row, but I've learned to pretty much treat it as if I have 2 TK's in a Black Ops game (unless I'm using a SMAW, I fire that with reckless abandon).

And Ran, its a fact, I've personally seen it many, many times: Care packages that hit a teammate kill them, not the recipient.

At first I was pissed about the ricochet, still kind of am, but it got a little better after I watched some assclown shoot me for my care package then died instead. I laughed so hard when that happened. I hated team killers so much before this, now I don't have to worry so much about it. The one thing that does annoy me however is having to take deaths that I could have shot through my team mate to avoid it or in similar circumstances. I liked trearcs kicking people out of the match policy. Sure it was annoying but everyone adjusted to it well and it didnt happen on accident but rarely, talking about my teams experience of course. I have to agree though that they shouldn't have changed it in the first place, it was quite the unexpected and unwanted suprise.

COD3 had it right.

You TK me, I get the option to punish or forgive you (accidents happen). After being punished 3 times total you get booted.

Simple fix. let the players police the community. I know, that would take some1 at IW to use thier head instead of blanketing HC with richocette.

Why IW hasnt picked this up or just the simple 3 TK boot is beyond me. Ohh thats because they just dont care about HC. 402 always puts HC down as if there are 4 people playing it while we have 2 TeamTac modes that no1 plays yet that ok and HCHQ is out of the question.

You know, the game mode that has been available since COD4. One of teh MOST played HC modes. No big deal. WE HAVE MOSH PIT AGAIN!

IW is clearly having an "awsome dialog" with some community other than COD's.

dude im just waiting for them to remove ricochet so I can go back to smaw trolling my teammates LOL