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  • mrepictoast Apprentice 1,019 posts since
    May 25, 2011
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    40. Dec 13, 2011 5:59 PM (in response to vileself)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    vileself wrote:

     

    Im going to encourage people not to sign this petition and I will give a simplified reason as to why. The majority of players currently have more success using a G36 or a SCAR. The Type95 is no FAMAS. Its no MP40 and its no UMP45. The Type95 is like an MK14 with less accuracy, less power and slightly less effort to use which is essentially what balances it out.

     

    Seriously, if you guys want to cry about stats then how come the MK14 isnt overpowered? That gun is a potential OHK at close range and its an AR! Its fire rate and reload times are equal to the Type95 and although its raise time its lower, its drop time is higher. No one here cries about that gun because no ones got the balls to use it. The semi-auto fire rate scares people away. Noobs not dare!The ones who do use it know exactly how nasty it is. This gun struggles at close range against full autos but after the nerf now so does the Type95 and thats how it should be. I should still be able to kill a guy at close range with a Type95 or an MK14 if Im good enough. I still have to hipfire accurately against full auto, pray n sprayers. Theres no reason they need a damage decrease, they are already outclassed where they should be outclassed. /truth

     

    You made a good thread about the shotguns being underpowered.  When shotguns get hitmarkers from five feet away while a Quickdraw Type 95 needs only one burst to kill at close to medium range consistently, something's wrong.

     

    When the Type 95 beats four of the six SMGs at close range, ties the PP90M1, and is .01 second slower to kill than the high recoil PM9 at SMG range, something's wrong.

     

    When a burst fire weapon can beat every fully automatic assault rifle at three bullet kill range (which, by the way, the Type 95 has the highest three bullet kill range of any non-shotgun and non-sniper weapon in the whole game), something's wrong.

     

    Do you see more Type 95s online or more shotguns?  Do you see as many "Nerf the shotguns" threads on this board as you do "Nerf the Type 95" threads? 

     

    http://denkirson.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=323 5

  • trialstardragon Master 10,398 posts since
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    41. Dec 13, 2011 6:02 PM (in response to davidlsofferman)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    Nope, not OP at all if the person using it could not hit a broad side of barn because of how bad their aim is.

     

    Stats are not the only thing that determins if a gun is OP or not and never has been nor ever will be. there are many factors taht the devs review to see if the gun is so called OP or just being used very effectively by those that understand its firing characteristics better then other players.

  • trialstardragon Master 10,398 posts since
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    42. Dec 13, 2011 6:05 PM (in response to mrepictoast)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    To your last sentence. I see alot of shotgun users in the games I play and they do very well infact often leading the scoreboard over the so called OP type 95 users.

  • mrepictoast Apprentice 1,019 posts since
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    43. Dec 13, 2011 6:10 PM (in response to trialstardragon)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    "Because I said so" isn't a valid argument.

  • trialstardragon Master 10,398 posts since
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    44. Dec 13, 2011 6:20 PM (in response to mrepictoast)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    Just like relying soley on the stats that the one guy gives out on his site is not a valid argument either when there are mutliple factors that help effect each gun in how they peform.

     

     

    None of the guns in the game are OP. Just people like to whine about anything that kills them easily and does so repeatedly. But that does not make it OP. Nor does the stats alone make it OP and never has.

     

    At least the devs are smart enough to realize this and did not over nerf the weapons like normally happens when the nerf babies come and cry about a weapon being too good for them.

  • coolwhhhip Apprentice 695 posts since
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    45. Dec 13, 2011 10:48 PM (in response to iamhollywood5)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    No. Go now. Aht..Aht..No, just be gone.

  • Darkn3ss Newbie 32 posts since
    Dec 12, 2011
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    46. Dec 14, 2011 1:22 AM (in response to iamhollywood5)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    I can agree with "re-nerfing" the FMG9. I  played a couple games after watching the video up top and yeah........I hadn't even used it earlier and now have level 10 proficency with them & all the attachments. It took about 3 games worth. using the FMG9 Akimbo with Steady Aim.

     

    I haven't tried using the Type 95....yet.

  • DarthBryan Apprentice 623 posts since
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    47. Dec 14, 2011 1:32 AM (in response to iamhollywood5)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    My excuse for using the Type 95...

     

    Thanks to the lag, everyone else is 1 hit killing me with every weapon so it's only fair.

  • platinumb Master 9,250 posts since
    Jun 21, 2011
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    48. Dec 14, 2011 4:22 AM (in response to trialstardragon)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    trialstardragon wrote:

     

    Just like relying soley on the stats that the one guy gives out on his site is not a valid argument either when there are mutliple factors that help effect each gun in how they peform.

     

     

    None of the guns in the game are OP. Just people like to whine about anything that kills them easily and does so repeatedly. But that does not make it OP. Nor does the stats alone make it OP and never has.

     

    At least the devs are smart enough to realize this and did not over nerf the weapons like normally happens when the nerf babies come and cry about a weapon being too good for them.

    Ok everybody, for here on out, we are going to determine how a weapon is OP by the looks, sounds, and anything else that has nothing to do with stats because Trial here thinks otherwise with his flawed statements.

     

    By doing it this way, I truly believe the MK46 is OP. It has that true, LMG feel and when you fire it, it is very terrifying. Anyone else agrees?

  • vileself Master 4,866 posts since
    May 23, 2011
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    49. Dec 14, 2011 3:15 PM (in response to mrepictoast)
    Re: Petition - Drop the damage on the Type 95

    Shotguns are the most inconsistance guns in the game. With the SPAS I can sometiems get a OHK from around 10 feet away without the Range proficiency yet once I equipped the Range proficiency I was getting hit markers at 5 feet. Sometimes I get a OHK to the enemies mid section, sometimes I get hit markers to the head at close range. These guns are so inconsistant that you cant fairly judge them against other weapons. If the shotguns worked like they were supposed to then they would all perform better than the Type95 at close range. With the Type95 getting a hip fire nerf that means that it most likely has to ADS in order to get a kill, which will result in death at close range.

     

    Comparing it to SMGs is fine but you cant just look at pure statistics and make decisions based on those numbers. SMGs have smaller hip spreads and better maneuverability. Any burst firing weapon struggles at close range, they always have and they always will. Even with less damage and even with slower fire rates, a fully auto SMG with better maneuverability and a smaller hip spread will have an advantage over a Type 95 at close range.

     

    Also the point isnt to make the Type95 useless at close range. If you concider EVERY factor then you will see that it is outclassed by SMGs at close range already, but the Type95 still needs to be able to contend at close range. It shouldnt be useless just because its a long range weapon. No one here cares that I can mow people down with an M4 from 5 feet away, infact I can do it a lot easier with the M4 than I can with the Type95 despite its difference in statistics.

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