Dec 5, 2011 10:06 PM
Connection issues? Wiggy has the cure for your troubles
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Wiggy and Fell 14043 played barebones tonight and believe it or not, you play "most pit" style, but we had ZERO, that's right folks, ZERO connection issues during this gaming session. It was amazing without the endless bombardment of air support/killstreaks and endless calling in of said support that the game played extremely smoothly. Now some of you might say "Wiggy, no one plays barebones!" Well apparently the secret was out, because Wiggy and Fell played for about 2 hours and the lobby's emptied and filled back up extremely quickly and we never had an issue with matchmaking or lag whatsoever. If you are seeing connection issues, Wiggy recommends BAREBONES playlist. Don't judge it, give it a shot and see how you like it.
My ISP has a server issue where I test 250ms ping to a Detroit server, about 5 miles away. Will my connection be perfect?
Try it and advise. Good test of this discovery.
gallp13 wrote:
Try it and advise. Good test of this discovery.
Yessir, Wiggy was suprizingly shocked at the results. He honestly thought no one would be playing Barebones, but amazingly we had no issues finding games or keeping the lobby full.
CSx121 wrote:
My ISP has a server issue where I test 250ms ping to a Detroit server, about 5 miles away. Will my connection be perfect?
Well, if you have subpar internet, lag compensation should help you, but no one guarantees a "perfect" connection.
Everyone thinks that lag compensation gives players with a worse connection an advantage.
After about 20 games with a ping from 175ms-400ms.. that seems like a stupid myth that the community started throwing around cause they see the word lag compensation being associated with someone with a disadvantage and good internet. Connections are not that black and white either.
As I was saying, after about 20 games, almost all of them ending by me timing out, were dreadful. I died by people I didn't even see. I would COMPLETE a knife lunge and get knifed by someone a few feet behind me.
And.. there was no magical netcoding that made me a God, or really even helped me. Ping is ping.
CSx121 wrote:
Ping is ping.
Absolutely not true...
Ping is Pong.
See what Wiggy did there?
splittinwigs wrote:
CSx121 wrote:
Ping is ping.
Absolutely not true...
Ping is Pong.
See what Wiggy did there?
technically thats not true...
pong is a classic video game whereas ping is what happens when you do an impersonation of a submarine
maccabi wrote:
technically thats not true...
pong is a classic video game whereas ping is what happens when you do an impersonation of a submarine
Now this is having a discussion with a man that is more educated than Wiggy...
Wiggy salutes you Sir...
Are you wiggy? If you are please stop refering to your self in the third person, you are not a professional wrestler.
Brick2urFace wrote:
Are you wiggy? If you are please stop refering to your self in the third person, you are not a professional wrestler.
LOL, you must be new. How about focus on the advice and a try not to provide Wiggy a "how to" on how to post. Wiggy sorts it out just fine.
But thanks!
Get back to the blops forums wiggy...thats where u belong
You would get more positive feedback if you didn't come off as pompous. Refering to yourself in the third person has a tendency to do just that. Its constructive criticism no need to be ofended good sir. I do apreciate the information you dig up on these forums.
Brick2urFace wrote:
You would get more positive feedback if you didn't come off as pompous. Refering to yourself in the third person has a tendency to do just that. Its constructive criticism no need to be ofended good sir. I do apreciate the information you dig up on these forums.
Understood, but you would be surprised to see how many people complain when Wiggy just "isn't himself" Then Wiggy gets called a "sellout"
Everyone knows that's just not how Wiggy rolls.
On topic:
Barebones really does take tons of stress of the engine and allows to play the game as intended. Not to mention the camping is slim to none.
The only drawback was that quickscopers run rampant, but Wiggy knows how to square them away. ![]()
i realized this back in black ops... just takes a huge load off the game i suppose
There's times in every game mode where it's like this. I played TDM for hours the other day with my cousin and never had any issues. Then the next day I get on and its back to the same old crap. Inconsistency.
So your advice is to play a game mode that I dont enjoy - just to play lag free? I think you confuse advice with suggestion. Ive played so much HC TDM that Im used to a little bit of lag as it is. There are times when its unplayable and times when it seems perfect.
I'll continue to rage quit when lag is an issue just to try to join a lag free lobby.
SmokeyCheese1 wrote:
So your advice is to play a game mode that I dont enjoy - just to play lag free? I think you confuse advice with suggestion. Ive played so much HC TDM that Im used to a little bit of lag as it is. There are times when its unplayable and times when it seems perfect.
I'll continue to rage quit when lag is an issue just to try to join a lag free lobby.
Advice would be something you give to someone that you care about the result. A suggestion is just an idea you may not have thought of.
Either way, it was just giving people something to think about other than complaining and performing the status quo.
If Ragequitting is your thing, more power to you.
Have you ever rage quit? For whatever reason?
SmokeyCheese1 wrote:
Have you ever rage quit? For whatever reason?
No, Wiggy finishes his games. Taking a butt kicking only stings for a few moments. If it gets that bad, Wiggy just turns the game off after the game is over.
Some folks don't take the game as seriously as others.
If a game makes you rage to that extent, perhaps the game isn't worth playing at the moment, or the player isn't worth playing.
The situation changes, but none of it is worth raging.
I call it rage quitting because I dont know what else to call it. I play to have fun and if lag is ruining the experience for me, I'll quit the match without issue. I dont seem to have a huge issue with lag though - Id say 90% of my games feel lag free.
SmokeyCheese1 wrote:
I call it rage quitting because I dont know what else to call it. I play to have fun and if lag is ruining the experience for me, I'll quit the match without issue. I dont seem to have a huge issue with lag though - Id say 90% of my games feel lag free.
Agreed, and that's your choice, but Wiggy just finds an area to concentrate on when Lag is bad.
Wiggy considers that adapting and overcoming.
Again, you paid for your game, you can play and leave it how you like. No judging here Sir.
:thumbsup:
Wiggy never rage quits. Like all 4rummers, we will ride out the bad games to the end.
But...that's what advice is? Advice is just a suggestion, or an opinion. I find them both to describe the OP. :]
Switching game types is not a cure for connection issues. IF it plays consistantly, it's merely avoiding the problem, it fixes nothing.
AEon_Xao wrote:
Switching game types is not a cure for connection issues. IF it plays consistantly, it's merely avoiding the problem, it fixes nothing.
Actually you are completely wrong,
wiggy has demonstrated something I have been trying to explain to people since the days of blops and if i can say so rather elagantly in his Inimitable way.
Instead of being the negative nancy here Aeon how about taking a step back and thinking WHY it plays smoother..then you know where to direct the pent ups too
maccabi wrote:
AEon_Xao wrote:
Switching game types is not a cure for connection issues. IF it plays consistantly, it's merely avoiding the problem, it fixes nothing.
Actually you are completely wrong,
wiggy has demonstrated something I have been trying to explain to people since the days of blops and if i can say so rather elagantly in his Inimitable way.
Instead of being the negative nancy here Aeon how about taking a step back and thinking WHY it plays smoother..then you know where to direct the pent ups too
Yes, system resources can run low with explosions and kill streaks and such. Toning down the graphical engine, or limiting it's stress, however, does not cure network problems.
The title is purposefully misleading with the obvious purpose of gaining clicks.
AEon_Xao wrote:
maccabi wrote:
AEon_Xao wrote:
Switching game types is not a cure for connection issues. IF it plays consistantly, it's merely avoiding the problem, it fixes nothing.
Actually you are completely wrong,
wiggy has demonstrated something I have been trying to explain to people since the days of blops and if i can say so rather elagantly in his Inimitable way.
Instead of being the negative nancy here Aeon how about taking a step back and thinking WHY it plays smoother..then you know where to direct the pent ups too
Yes, system resources can run low with explosions and kill streaks and such. Toning down the graphical engine, or limiting it's stress, however, does not cure network problems.
The title is purposefully misleading with the obvious purpose of gaining clicks.
yes explosions ect cause a hit on the framerate but ......
killstreaks eat up bandwidth you can fill the rest in yourself. Now please toddle off before you make yourself look even more shonkulous
Macc is correct on this one. The spamming of killstreaks does indeed eat up bandwidth. It is a major contributor to the issues people are seeing in the game. Is going to Barebones the end all cure? No. But it is an option that some on the site may want to consider until IW get's it together.
I haven't played barebones yet, but I'm inclined to agree with you. Search and Destroy, for me anyways has always been the least laggy gametype and one I always seem to do well on. I would think barebones follows along the same lines as a gametype like SND.
Makes sence Funky. Since there is little KS spamming and spawning in that game type, you should assume it should have less lag issues.
Great Point Sir
yeah i play good on S&D too, rest of the gamemodes are lagg ******
anyways back on the topic de jour... as some of may remember earlier this year the infamous story of when we killed canadas internet.
for those not familar with this one of our buddies in canada hosted a private lobby, being a night of shenanigans we decided to set killstreaks to 1 kill and make that ks a care package..
and let loose playing ffa on nuketown..
took about first mins was fine.. 2nd bit skippy...by the third something wasnt right by the 5th the game froze and our buddy dissapeared off line for hours, reason his cable modem had a heartattack, it couldnt keep up with the amount of traffic being generated by the multitude of killstreaks, its buffers filled and it died, it took our buddy a good few hours to get it up and running again basically having to reset it and wait till it cleared the buffers.
the moral of this story... whether or not you happen to be someone whose mental and social abilites are akin to a rhododendron with a bad case of green fly, the simple fact is killstreaks make extra traffic, extra traffic is more packets ..more packets means more stress on a connection.. stress leads to the darkside..
maccabi wrote:
anyways back on the topic de jour... as some of may remember earlier this year the infamous story of when we killed canadas internet.
for those not familar with this one of our buddies in canada hosted a private lobby, being a night of shenanigans we decided to set killstreaks to 1 kill and make that ks a care package..
and let loose playing ffa on nuketown..
took about first mins was fine.. 2nd bit skippy...by the third something wasnt right by the 5th the game froze and our buddy dissapeared off line for hours, reason his cable modem had a heartattack, it couldnt keep up with the amount of traffic being generated by the multitude of killstreaks, its buffers filled and it died, it took our buddy a good few hours to get it up and running again basically having to reset it and wait till it cleared the buffers.
the moral of this story... whether or not you happen to be someone whose mental and social abilites are akin to a rhododendron with a bad case of green fly, the simple fact is killstreaks make extra traffic, extra traffic is more packets ..more packets means more stress on a connection.. stress leaves to the darkside..
Fear leads to anger
Anger leads to hate
Hate leads jealousy
Jealousy leads to Wiggy...
Great analogy Master... Hehe
Still only anecdotal evidence. If you want to prove your theory, provide scientific data.(that's why I asked for a source above, that's what a citation is, a request for actual evidence).
I'll admit that more stuff happening is more data, but how much more? Will it really impact broadbrand internet? I can download a gig an hour even on my small connection, how much data are we talking here? If it were really enough to clog one's bandwidth, it would be a record shattering phenomenon, hence, my doubt.
Mw2, at a quick search of google, show's that it used about 15mb an hour up and down.(a big interest to some, because some ISP's still have caps for monthly usage)
That doesn't even scrape even my measly connection.
That's what i mean when I ask for a source. Until you come up with some data, you're just another kid suggesting he put his xbox in the oven or wrapping it in a towel to fix it. Urban myths, old wives tales, and anecdotal stories, do no one any good.
I could claim that I saw god once, doesn't prove a thing.
Frying a cable modem once?
Maybe it was old, full of lint, and just overheated. Sitting on the carpet(static discharge can fry electronics, and the carpet can hamper airflow)? Stuffed into an entertainment center with all of the other space heater electronics?
Maybe the host xbox is so resource overloaded it can't communicate with the modem. or function correctly perma-glitching the game. You could do this easily enough in Halo's forge mode, and it had nothing to do with the network.
Still, the fault is with the game, and not a solution to the network issue of the core game playing badly.
Sure, it may be sage advice for people willing to play that game type, but for the masses it's useless, therefore the thread title is flat out wrong.
Great games last night Wiggy! It sure was nice getting to play the game as it was intended for once. No B.S. connection related deaths, no one hiding in a far off corner waiting for that one poor sucker to walk by, and there weren't a hundred explosions going off in my ears.
When Robert Bowling said "A return to gun-on-gun, like CoD 4" I felt completely betrayed when witnessing the final product... but then we found a diamond in the rough... Barebones! Maybe this is what he was referring to? For his sake, I can only hope so.
Oh, and I sure hope Foxy can get here and clean up the filth. There's a certain little troll who's just begging to be taken to the curb.
fell14043 wrote:
Great games last night Wiggy! It sure was nice getting to play the game as it was intended for once. No B.S. connection related deaths, no one hiding in a far off corner waiting for that one poor sucker to walk by, and there weren't a hundred explosions going off in my ears.
When Robert Bowling said "A return to gun-on-gun, like CoD 4" I felt completely betrayed when witnessing the final product... but then we found a diamond in the rough... Barebones! Maybe this is what he was referring to? For his sake, I can only hope so.
Oh, and I sure hope Foxy can get here and clean up the filth. There's a certain little troll who's just begging to be taken to the curb.
You bet Sir! Don't forget we need to pencil in a time and a video for your "meet the 4rummer" video.
No rush, get one of your favorites and let me know and we'll hook it up.
Barebones was a blast last night, just hope people take Wiggy's advice and take advantage of this unpolished turd in the rough.
splittinwigs wrote:
fell14043 wrote:
Great games last night Wiggy! It sure was nice getting to play the game as it was intended for once. No B.S. connection related deaths, no one hiding in a far off corner waiting for that one poor sucker to walk by, and there weren't a hundred explosions going off in my ears.
When Robert Bowling said "A return to gun-on-gun, like CoD 4" I felt completely betrayed when witnessing the final product... but then we found a diamond in the rough... Barebones! Maybe this is what he was referring to? For his sake, I can only hope so.
Oh, and I sure hope Foxy can get here and clean up the filth. There's a certain little troll who's just begging to be taken to the curb.
You bet Sir! Don't forget we need to pencil in a time and a video for your "meet the 4rummer" video.
No rush, get one of your favorites and let me know and we'll hook it up.
Barebones was a blast last night, just hope people take Wiggy's advice and take advantage of this unpolished turd in the rough.
Well, I've got one or two good games that we could use I think, and I'm good pretty much anytime on the weekends. ![]()
It was a helluva good time, for sure. I'm hoping to replicate the same success tonight.
Thanks for the tip, Wiggs. I'll pitch the plan to my clan-mates tonight and see if anyone is interested. The way things have been going, they might agree to a riot shield only match if it's relatively lag free.
sink74 wrote:
Thanks for the tip, Wiggs. I'll pitch the plan to my clan-mates tonight and see if anyone is interested. The way things have been going, they might agree to a riot shield only match if it's relatively lag free.
Yessir, it's certainly worth a shot.
The only thing Wiggy cautions you with is that you need to watch out for the quickscoper. They are pretty rampant in barebones.
Oh and watch out for the baby heartbeat monitors too.
I would be lying if I said I never used the baby monitor myself, but that's usually only on classes where I don't want a grenade launcher and haven't unlocked extended mags yet.
sink74 wrote:
I would be lying if I said I never used the baby monitor myself, but that's usually only on classes where I don't want a grenade launcher and haven't unlocked extended mags yet.
Not judging, just warning you of imminent danger! ![]()
splittinwigs wrote:
Not judging, just warning you of imminent danger!
Fair enough. Though after an hour or so of trying to long on, I'm about to give it up for tonight. Retribution will have to wait at least another day.
sink74 wrote:
Fair enough. Though after an hour or so of trying to long on, I'm about to give it up for tonight. Retribution will have to wait at least another day.
Agreed, the dashboard update has delayed many plans on playing last night.
Hoping to get some more trigger time in tonight on Barebones.
Cleaned up this thread. I can see the validity in many arguments here and I tried to preserve what I could.
If I missed anything I apologize.
iif0xh0undii wrote:
Cleaned up this thread. I can see the validity in many arguments here and I tried to preserve what I could.
If I missed anything I apologize.
Thanks, I know I'm gruff, and I appologize for that to the community, but darn if some people don't reach out and push buttons.
Thanks man. Good stuff.