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Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 19:15:29 GMT

You obviously don't play search and destroy. Basically you came on here and read this to tell everyone to quit complaining, right? How about this, how many of the other perks besides sit rep pro completely cancels out another perk? There are some that will cancel equipment, yes, but none that will completely cancel out another perk. This is why it is such a problem. If you like to camp, yeah it's fine, whatever your not moving around anyways so why does it matter if you're loud? But for people that like to move around in search without crouching, it's annoying. Really annoying. It takes away all rushing in search and destroy, which completely changes the game. Why should one perk be able to completely change a game mode? There's gonna be a lot more camping, and i think i'm going to have to find a new game to play.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:23:13 GMT

couldnt agree more mate

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:18:46 GMT

i agree 1000000% with this post, im a hardcore search and destroy player and have been since mw2, this game mode when coming up against good opponents requires skill and tactics, this was the case however until sitrep pro was bought in now all you see is people crawling around corners with there aims on and creeping through bushes and sitting in corners, i dont get why infinity ward/sledgehammer have made this perk so you can hear people with dead silence, why would you cancel out totally a perk without making a perk to cancel out the one thats cancelling it out, in other words what perk cancels out sitrep pro ? NONE and because of this EVERYONE is using it and its made the game (NOOBY) it seems as though in modern warfare 3 that there trying to bring in too many things to help out weak players for eg.. Ballistic Vests, sitrep, and support killstreaks, when these are used with hardline pro its devastating effects, the enemy gets 4 flashbang hits and gets vests ? then the other team are playing against a team that needs 5 or more bullets to kill as a pose to them having a 1 shot kill, this is not fair and can make good players play differently to how they wouldve wanted to play (with skill), all im saying is good luck on blackops 2 because while your getting so used to soundwhoring corners and taking 5 bullets with vests on, you will land on ur feet on blackops 2 with a big slap in ur face because these things wont be included Hahahaha I CANT WAIT TILL SND IS BACK TO PEOPLE WINNING CAUSE THEY HAVE SKILL INSTEAD OF PEOPLE WINNING CAUSE THEY HAVE PERKS.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:03:33 GMT

It's already ruined TDM and free for all, it's just so easy for people to sit in corners and sound whore, even if you're using Dead Silence

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:31:25 GMT

I completely agree Shankage. I only play SnD, ranked 5k and have played since COD4 as well. Sitrep ruined SnD and its no competitive in pubs. MW3 is so cheap with Recon, Sitrep and stalker. I say stalker because half of the time players are invincible to bullets when they have stalker equipped plus they run faster for some reason. I wish we could create our own PUBLIC lobbies with things excluded that we didnt want in the lobby. That would require a dedicated server though and we all know Activision is too cheap to allow that.

I am in complete agreement though that this patch ruined the way SnD has been played for years. Dead silence has no use anymore.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:02:47 GMT

Before reading, please if you primarily play gametypes other than Search and Destroy, DO NOT reply to this, as it mainly concerns these players.

Everyone's reasoning for Sitrep Pro not being overpowered, is that it counters Dead Silence, "a perk that was previously uncountered." Ever thought about Dead Silence countering Dead Silence? This is how it was in Call of Duty since I've started playing (COD4). It makes no sense that IW wants to change this about Call of Duty. They are changing a main essence to the game. This has made most infuriated, that actually are "die hard SnD players," to change such an essential perk to the gametype to have almost no effect at all. Pretty much Dead Silence is only used now to decrease the effects of recon, (which is still almost a pointless addition to the perk). So, if IW is going to essentially render Dead Silence useless, why not just take it out of the game? I actually wouldn't like to see it taken out though. It was a perk that overall helped to see just who was the better player, with gun skill. With neither of the players being able to be heard, there was really no advantages/disadvantages to either players (excluding the occasional amazing headset). For those who didn't know a great headset could actually allow you to hear dead silence, faintly, but still could hear it, usually only used by the extreme COD players. Back to the subject, empowering campers with this new Sitrep patch, only encourages them more to camp. Yes, there is a couple precautions you can take to counter this, either camp yourself or crouch EVERYWHERE. Personally, I think doing either of these takes the fun out of the game, as I sure most others will agree. Doing either of them would also render a few other perks useless aswell, for example Extreme Conditioning. What is the use to have a perk that allows you to sprint for longer distances, when you cannot walk, let alone sprint, without being heard from someone with Sitrep? If IW can't do the job to undo this mistake, hopefully, as much as I hate to say it, Treyarch will in Black Ops 2.

To sum everything up, enabling players to hear others, with a perk that is supposed to make their footsteps silent, is a mistake. It encourages the players to camp, something that I believe nearly every Call of Duty player will agree with is frustrating and an annoyance. Possibly making IW a large portion of valued customers, its players, to discontinue playing the series. It renders Dead Silence, a perk essential for avid SnD players, completely useless. On behalf of most of the Call of Duty community, erase your flaws, starting by fixing this mistake.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2012 16:57:49 GMT

Haha in that case the Pro unlock description should not be "Makes Enemy Footsteps Louder" It should be "Forces Enemies To Crouch Everywhere"

Reasonable?

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2012 09:17:45 GMT

3SIMPLE solutions:

1: Be a ******* team like you ******* should be.
In every tactical shooter game since year 1990 defenders have known the attackers are coming, but have to split up to defend multiple positions.

2: Crouchwalk.
It's really not that hard.

There's a button for crouching.
Default, it's the B button on the 360.
Some of us use the tactical layout to make crouching even easier, sacrificing panic-knifing for crouching ease.

3: Use Extreme conditioning and crouch when you are at the goal.
Unless they use extreme conditioning, you will be there first.
Then you crouch and defend the position for your TEAM.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:37:53 GMT

You see, that's too easy of a fix, people would rather put up a spectacle over it.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:39:55 GMT

Why not just crouch-walk with stalker on? walks about the same speed as your would standing up, but your footsteps are quitened, and if you have pro, betties/claymores aren't an issue.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:29:26 GMT

I don't play S&D but they could just make it unavailable to be selected for this game mode but do the same for Dead Silence and that should be fair. The perk is less of an issue in other game modes, if at all.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:17:05 GMT

i totally agree that sit rep pro has ruined search and destroy!!!!! i absoulutely despise it and hope that there will be a patch for this dump perk. I used to love playing snd and was most of which i played, but i no longer can because of sit rep pro defeating the only thing that keeps people from turning there game volume up and destroying the opposing team!!!! INFINITY WARD PLEASE DO SOMETHING!!!

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:46:51 GMT

dtrain4569 wrote:

Jesus Christ people don't half talk some bullshit here.

A few facts...

Sitrep Pro doubles the sound of enemy footsteps, it doesn't multiply it x4, (that was in MW2)

Before the patch Dead Silence was over powered as it had NO counter.

Now, Sitrep Pro counters Dead silence as it should be - because Dead Silence still Counters Sitrep Pro!

SP = own footsteps x0.5, friendly footsteps x0.5, enemy footsteps x2 , DS users x1

DS = own footsteps muted, friendly footsteps x1, enemy footsteps x1, SP users x1

This means when you use dead silence you can hear Sitrep Pro users EXACTLY the same volume as they can hear you, but with the advantage of not being able to hear your own footsteps. This advantage is countered by the fact that Sitrep pro users hear friendlies a little quieter than DS users.

This my friends is the very definition of "balanced", so stop pissing and moaning just because someone kills you and stop tring to blame something which both on paper and in practice now functions correctly.

This. And the fact crawling/crouching negates the effects of SRP.

But it comes down to why people are now acknowledging Sit Rep Pro when it's been like this for a while (since they patched it) and even in Modern Warfare 2. SRP in that game was the pinnacle of power - purely because you could hear people literally across the map - but did no-one use it then? No, because getting the Pro was a tedious challenge and the power of Ninja, Commando and even Steady Aim were all in the Tier 3 slot. Did people complain about it then? No.

But now, after the Devs admitting SRP was supposed to counter DS all along (what they did wasn't a buff, it was a mere bug fix/feature change) - why have all of a sudden people became so outraged over something which has performed pretty much the same since it made its debut in MW2 - it was quietly nerfed in MW3 compared to MW2; the sound amplification isn't the same to it's predecessor. A perk, in my honest opinion, should NEVER make you completely silent - Dead Silence still does that to non-SRP using guys - but having the ability to hear-out those using DS has been made in the form of SRP. I would rather have a perk to make silent-Perks audible than have no counters to someone running around making no noise.

Perhaps the general community being stupidified by the COD YouTubers throwing their toys out of the pram because something so simple like SRP/DS is such a major problem for them? In what way on God's gracious green earth is it a significant problem to merit a KONY 2012-style campaign that some YouTubers seem to be managing? Why are there no Blind Eye/Assassin, MP7/ACR and Lag Comp/Connectivity campaigns - or have I not seen them? If one YT guy has an issue with something insignificant, why is it then suddenly hundreds/thousands have the same issue without experiencing it for themselves? Blind leading the blinder .. sheep?

Those that complain about something like this, do they even use the Perk themselves? How about the cliché "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and use the Perk to combat those who also use it, or to become the alleged "overpowered" warfighter when you equip it.

Those accusations that now EVERYONE uses Sit Rep and no-one Dead Silence are quite bold attempts, but unfortunately are quite farce - of all the times I've played Domination, Search & Destroy and Team Tactical game modes, I've seen more players using Marksman (dubbed as the "legal aimbot", what the hell?) and Stalker than ever using Sit Rep. I play pretty much every night with a varying array of players from different areas - and it's all the same: Blind Eye, Assassin, Marksman/Stalker .. progresses to sit in corner. Definitely see a lot more using that setup than people using something else with SRP.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 05 Aug 2012 07:40:07 GMT

Well, it boils down to this. Would you rather sound like an elephant stampede or a normal person with normal footstep sound against SitRep Pro users?
I'm not one to boost for SitRep Pro (I've already failed to get it in my ninth Prestige, even though I actually tried to legitimately unlock it), and I just find Stalker and Steady Aim as better lifesavers than SitRep Pro. Honestly, it hasn't done much to my ability to soundwhore, and while any effect isn't negative, I honestly found it negligible. Granted, I don't camp often and I don't play Search and Destroy, but I found that SitRep Pro kinda needed the application of louder footsteps to Dead Silence. Although it could have been dealt with better, I'll agree with that.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:33:16 GMT

Sitrep pro needs to be updated because it defeats the purpose of having dead silence in the game. This perk ruins many game type like S&D because the people with this perk camp and crouch walk all over the map and us people that did not fill like boosting for sitrep pro dont have it and we dont wont it becasue it has ruined the fun and sprit of the game that a lot of us love playing. Why do we even have dead silence if one perk can take that perk away from your use. I would understan if sitrep pro could hear dead silence none pro but dead silence pro should not be able to be heared by sitrep pro. Sitrep pro has just about made it were i dont think i and a lot of other people will even buy the next mondern warfare because of this and im thinking about quiting mw3 like a lot of my friends and other peaple and playing a nother game that does not have a perk like this but i would love to see this fixed so i could enjoy playing mw3 again and the next mondern warfare game to come out. Please fix this over power perk. and any one who agrees with this please support me on this were we can get this fixed

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:44:15 GMT

sitrep pro ftl

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:25:52 GMT

Its easy to say that you can hear them and they can hear you, and i agree with that logic. Its the fact that they DONT MOVE. This is why the game encourages camping now, bc SRP users camp, and now DS users are having to camp because of the fact that if they do try to move towards an objective, SRP users know exactly where they are at. All this is for SnD for me though, the only gametype i can play on this game.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:03:02 GMT

Jesus Christ people don't half talk some bullshit here.

A few facts...

Sitrep Pro doubles the sound of enemy footsteps, it doesn't multiply it x4, (that was in MW2)

Before the patch Dead Silence was over powered as it had NO counter.

Now, Sitrep Pro counters Dead silence as it should be - because Dead Silence still Counters Sitrep Pro!

SP = own footsteps x0.5, friendly footsteps x0.5, enemy footsteps x2 , DS users x1

DS = own footsteps muted, friendly footsteps x1, enemy footsteps x1, SP users x1

This means when you use dead silence you can hear Sitrep Pro users EXACTLY the same volume as they can hear you, but with the advantage of not being able to hear your own footsteps. This advantage is countered by the fact that Sitrep pro users hear friendlies a little quieter than DS users.

This my friends is the very definition of "balanced", so stop pissing and moaning just because someone kills you and stop tring to blame something which both on paper and in practice now functions correctly.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:35:04 GMT

You should never be able to "ensure" anything in this game. You cant ensure you wont be hit by an AC-130 or Pred just because you have Blind Eye on. Also dont forget that things like crouching and moving slowly will reduce your footstep noise.

Re: The new Sitrep-Pro will RUIN SEARCH AND DESTROY!!

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:24:56 GMT

Hey guys, just want to get my views across to IW and Activision really an they have no contact details which is what I would say are unfunctional companies. I am a search and destroy only player and due to your most recent ridiculous update I now only get to play "camp and annoy" I am sure that I am not the only person that believes sitrep pro for an average gamer has now become a god mode perk it is a complete and utter pointless update as the following points are the reasons why search and destroy has now been ruined:

1: Sitrep makes dead silence completely useless so why keep DS in this worthless game.

2: Not only does it increase the volume of footsteps but enhances the majorly whilst using dead silence.

3: I now have to crouch around to play search and destroy which as you have guest really gets the energy pumping. Sorry I tell a lie I don't play S&D on this unfair game anymore.

4:Everytime I now see a sitrep player I report them for boosting as I recently found out that you can earn it by destroying your own TEAMS equipment well done IW so on this note I urge everyone who actually enjoys a game of S&D without any ridiculous additions to the game then report all players using sitrep pro as cheating nothing will happen to them but maybe IW and Activision will finally start to realise they are ruining the game, I myself would like to know why they changed it in the first place I think it was to

Annoy me. IW and Activision or admins If you see this I would appreciate a response