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Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:25:29 GMT

There's no doubt in my mind that lag is the cause of rage quitting.

But how often do players rage quit when games aren't going their way? I find it selfish that players are happy to stay in when they do well but once they do bad, they leave not even half way through a match in progress.

I thought that it was my scorestreaks that made players quit but once I switched to team support scorestreaks (no Lodestar, no Swarm, no Dogs etc), people still left.

YouTubers are hypocritical when it comes to rage quitting. Whilst they complain about people leaving their "YouTube worthy" matches, they leave when their match isn't considered "YouTube worthy" to watch.

It's gone to the point where most COD players believe that everyone's a winner.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:36:41 GMT

I ragequit and idc if my team mates do it either? the game ALWAYS puts new people in your game?

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 00:55:18 GMT

I have to agree there >.< got placed in bronze cause I lost every single placement match... and the next 10... why? lag? no... the other team being better? no... the other team being a.... team? no... my team sucking worse then the other team... yeeeeessss.... seriously, did better then the winning team every placement match and still lost. thats why now If i play alone, its for the challenge not the win.

bigjgray wrote:

I see more rage quit when it comes to League play. Plus L.P sucks if you dont ahve a team.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 00:51:23 GMT

I see more rage quit when it comes to League play. Plus L.P sucks if you dont ahve a team.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 21:43:30 GMT

1 second behind getting no hit markers = rage quit. Not going to pad someones stats because Treyarch refuses to repair faulty netcode and artificial lag.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 21:28:11 GMT

The lag is the reason this game is so bad and put that together with the way most of the community play's on this game doing anything just to get that precious kill by either camping, head glitching and abusing OP weapons then its pointless staying on this game for more than 1 match. In my opinion the devs messed this game up and like i said most of people that play this game ruined it aswell because people care about stats too much, games are supposed to be fun but people feel the need to ruin it for others i am done buying another call of duty and i gave this game a chance but it needs to be sold now.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:54:26 GMT

Lag isn't the problem? Lag is always a problem. In a game where gun fights come down to the second you can't have players ahead of others by a second or two. The player behind has little to no hope of winning that gun fight and that is a FACT. Put me head to head with yourself and let me see you 2 second before you see me. You will be put down before you can react. This is why you hear people saying I got killed by 1 bullet because the enemy already pumped them full of bullets and the last one was all they had time to see. Untill the kill cam shows them that the other player has a time advantage. Lets be real the way this game lags it is the biggest problem. There is no way eney player can say that being a second behind is not a problem. And the way its set up now the host gets raped with baby powder.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:16:51 GMT

You have some good points. I think people quit because of the lag. Could you have fun playing this game and for the most part be 1 second behind the enemy in almost every game? If you like being killed that is the only way you could have fun with it. And who loves to lose gun fights when you see yourself shooting the enemy 1st just to be put down. The kill cam shows the enemy shooting you 1st. It is a very unfair disadvantage to be a second behind the enemy in a game where gun fights come down to the second. I don't blame people for quitting if its because they are 1 second behind the enemy. The same thing happend in Black ops 1.This is a problem on XBox and PS3. I don't know about the WII U. This is the biggest problem and needs to be fixed 1st.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:04:55 GMT

Yes, many people are simply scared to play vs competition (number of players in League proofs it). It seems that a lot of the CoD players today want nothing but pubstomp, which takes no skill to beat a team that isn't that good.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:01:17 GMT

jw415gvr wrote:

As a forever alone random, I agree.

Here are my keys to whether to stay or exit game:

Look at the Lobby Leaderboard During the Lobby Countdown
If I'm on the bottom, immediately leave. This match will be very frustrating and I'll wind up exiting the game after going 0-10 anyway...
If I'm in the #1 or 2 slot, by all means stay. I'm a below average player so if this is a lobby of people worse than me, I'm staying and will run around like an idiot. (Actually if I am in the #1 slot, I figure that there must be something wrong with everyone else's calculations ).
If I'm in the middle (which is usual), I'll look at the spread between myself and the lobby leaders. I'll almost always stay unless the top couple people have 2-3 times my SPM and a heck of a lot of kills in that game mode.
Look at the Score Ranking from the Previous Match
Do the top 3 or 4 show that they are in a party with the same clan tag? If so, then I wait until the final countdown to see if I've been assigned to their team for this match. If not, I'm leaving for the same reason as 1.1 above.
When Added to a Game Already in Progress
Check out the score BEFORE selecting a class. The BACK button is your friend. If you join a Domination match on a team losing 0 - 170 you're going to have a bad time. Just don't select a class and have the server time you out. Get a drink, walk the dog, whatever...
If I join a fairly close game and there are dogs, a swarm, or I'm killed 5 times within my first 30 seconds of gameplay then I'm leaving. Not fun, even if the killstreaks are from a care package.
I don't automatically press the button to respawn as soon as I'm killed. I've been killed too many times by what feels like the same lightning strike, carpet bomb, AC-130 shell because I was too intent on getting right back into the action. Watch that killcam in core mode. You can learn how you died, where the enemy was, and can then adjust your class to take out the enemy player.
If the other team are 360 quickscoping then I'll stay. After all, their bedtime is probably in a few minutes anyway...

The bottom line is that you have to play smart. Especially when you don't have the natural talent and are being outclassed by much better players.

2.1. Thats true, partys are very dominant in this game. In previous CoDs i could take out a whole clan but in this game its not that easy anymore because your team mates will give them free scorestreaks, its always this way. You are the best of your team while all your random team mates go negative.

3.1. Thats what i do, and many people too. I see no point of playing a losing game but i don't timeout, i leave the match (i don't care about my W/L ratio, its already bad enough). I lobby surf till i find a match that isn't in progress. I hate join in progress matches.

3.2. No one likes being put in this kind of matches.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:47:13 GMT

I personally have never been spawn trapped and if a team has tried it then i broke through it within seconds, no team has ever successfully spawn trapped me. Smoke with Shotgun and you ready to break it, it sad when some people ragequit because they can not think that far.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:43:10 GMT

The most fun matches are the close ones i agree, especially in Domination.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:40:27 GMT

There is nothing you can do against ragequitting, because it all has to do with people's attitude

Ragequitters (which in my book is different from LAG quitters, which is understandable), believe the world owns them everthings. They can't stand the thought of loosing, they can't stand that they have to work to obtain something, they can't stand the idea that somebody might be better then them.

I personally believe that your online behaviour is a direct reflection of your real life behaviour. If you ragequit in this game, what will make you endure real life where nothing is fair and easy.

"Don't think the world owns you anything, it was here before you"

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:39:49 GMT

Yes but i don't want to leave every second match.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:39:36 GMT

People quit because of the lag, simples!

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:38:32 GMT

As a forever alone random, I agree.

Here are my keys to whether to stay or exit game:

Look at the Lobby Leaderboard During the Lobby Countdown
1. If I'm on the bottom, immediately leave. This match will be very frustrating and I'll wind up exiting the game after going 0-10 anyway...
2. If I'm in the #1 or 2 slot, by all means stay. I'm a below average player so if this is a lobby of people worse than me, I'm staying and will run around like an idiot. (Actually if I am in the #1 slot, I figure that there must be something wrong with everyone else's calculations ).
3. If I'm in the middle (which is usual), I'll look at the spread between myself and the lobby leaders. I'll almost always stay unless the top couple people have 2-3 times my SPM and a heck of a lot of kills in that game mode.
Look at the Score Ranking from the Previous Match
1. Do the top 3 or 4 show that they are in a party with the same clan tag? If so, then I wait until the final countdown to see if I've been assigned to their team for this match. If not, I'm leaving for the same reason as 1.1 above.
When Added to a Game Already in Progress
1. Check out the score BEFORE selecting a class. The BACK button is your friend. If you join a Domination match on a team losing 0 - 170 you're going to have a bad time. Just don't select a class and have the server time you out. Get a drink, walk the dog, whatever...
2. If I join a fairly close game and there are dogs, a swarm, or I'm killed 5 times within my first 30 seconds of gameplay then I'm leaving. Not fun, even if the killstreaks are from a care package.
3. I don't automatically press the button to respawn as soon as I'm killed. I've been killed too many times by what feels like the same lightning strike, carpet bomb, AC-130 shell because I was too intent on getting right back into the action. Watch that killcam in core mode. You can learn how you died, where the enemy was, and can then adjust your class to take out the enemy player.
4. If the other team are 360 quickscoping then I'll stay. After all, their bedtime is probably in a few minutes anyway...

The bottom line is that you have to play smart. Especially when you don't have the natural talent and are being outclassed by much better players.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:30:59 GMT

I get host quite a lot because I have a good connection and that causes me to have no chance of playing a fair game.

All of your points are exactly why I quit and if I set aside an hour of my free time to play some games I often spend most of that hour just quitting and re-joining to no avail.

I always thought it would be solved by giving us the choice of what server we joined based on location and our ping to the server but that would require dedicated servers. The game is so full of idiots and squeakers because it is so simple to join. I'd happily spend a few minutes filtering down specific servers if I knew I was going to get a good game and I wouldn't rage quit if I knew I chose to be on the server.

To be honest though I love it when I rage quit then I see 'migrating hosts' on the screen. Then I know I've annoyed everyone and also know my game was so bad because I was host!

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:25:47 GMT

aiming at the spawn point is spawn killing....spawn TRAPPING is watching each pathway the other team has to run when leaving their spawn area. that's what i meant.

You are right that good players can escape the spawn but most are not good enough which is why they rage quit.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 03:20:11 GMT

OP, it's your fault for staying.

Re: Black Ops 2 biggest problem is not Lag, its the Rage Quiters

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 03:04:01 GMT

Run_N_Gunning_Camper wrote:

They should have the option to make the stats private. 3Arch also needs to stop trying too hard to push BO2 as an eSport game.

Anything to reduce the rage quitting would be great. Playlists unaffecting stats would be my preferable option as players would care less about how they do and just play for fun. (in public lobbies)

I don't mind the eSport agenda. To me, it's encouraging players to try to win and to experience some competitive play. I enjoy close matches. It's a good feeling when a match is down to the wire and you win by say one kill or a point in Domination.

However, I'm sure there are players who just want to run around with knives & tomahawks, snipe or use bad weapons in which isn't suitable in a eSport environment. This is why I would suggest a playlist that you can still fully rank up in, your stats don't get affected and it's just for the popular game modes (No Demo, CTF, HQ etc).