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Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:04:05 GMT

You can talk all the bs you want, but the fact is, there is something amiss and whether or not you believe it it is there. So here you come with the usual "it's all your fault" garbage. Funny thing is, with all your statements, you offer no "proof". That's right son, that "proof" thing works both ways. I have my proof almost every time I play the game. That proof is the fact that I can tell the difference after each update and fix, luckily for me it's getting better. Unfortunately this is not so for some, as they have given their proof on multiple occasions. So, show me proof that your not having problems, and that the fact your not, is simply because you've manipulated your signal to be on the good side, or should I say godmode side of the comp. I suspect the latter.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:01:00 GMT

Well thank you for turning this "circle jerk" into a place of experience and information. Truthfully, a lot of the technical jargon is over my head but I'm learning. What I meant by referencing "the past CoD's" was playing MW3 on the exact same setup and connection that I am now. I personally was very frustrated with MW3 for the first 2 or 3 months but blammed only myself.

I find myself being host a lot. Most of the time I'm not bothered by it. But other times, like the game I just raged from, before I even get time to pull the trigger, I'm dead. I'm really not one to complain. I will truely take all responsibility for being an inferior player and die like a man, when its a technically even gun fight. But the respawn system and being host in BO2 has really brought out the worst in me. And where else to go but here. Thanks.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:37:54 GMT

bkblazer wrote:

Ok, so I'm assuming you don't believe being host can sometimes put some people at a disadvantage. Maybe because you haven't experienced it, or maybe you have. You certainly seem to know a whole lot about what people are experiencing and the excuses they make. Technically I don't know much about connection, ping, or "problematic broadband lines". All I can compare BO2 multiplayer to, are past CoD titles which I never experienced this type of problem. Until you play the game at my place, and find yourself in one of the few host disadvantage games I find myself in, please don't refer to threads like this as a circle jerk. Trust me, I'ld love to be one of the people that don't believe in the so called "lag comp".

Its a common mistake to cite past CODs as an example of perfection. It has been going on for years now as each new COD is released a new generation of posters claim the previous title was perfect. But there is a flaw in this logic because it ignores the patching process that improved the older game for most over time. BO2 is still in the earlier lifecyle stage, it's still being optimised to accomodate the new player population which brings with it new hosts, new connections etc. This process is unavoidable and despite peoples belief that "it's the same game every year" the coding is obviously different and it all has to be rinsed and repeated every time. Next year hoardes will invade forums shouting BO2 was perfect and COD X is a mess and the same old conspiracy theories and crackpot fixes will return in abundance, I absolutely gaurantee this.

The problems many are talking I have experienced with MW3, instakills ie being killed in one bullet before I can react with a quickdraw SMG to dim witted LMG wielding opponents, emptying mags into people/bullet sponges and so on. Hosting was a nightmare as well. But in the end it had nothing to do with the user-generated theories of "lag comp" and "host disadvantage", I knew the moment I read tech articles on the topic and realised people didn't know what the hell they were talking about (a little bit of critical thinking really pays off rather than listening to the book-dodging hoards, more should try it). So I carried out the following during my crappy time with MW3 before I found out my problems were due to an MM issue identified quite early on by IW:

Changing ISP to one which categorically does not have any Traffic Shaping Policy - gaming uses TCP/UDP packets (predominantly UDP) which Torrents also use. ISP TS systems do not discriminate and will nerf such transmissions regardless. Many avoid investigating this.
Ensuring I am not with an oversubscribed ISP with shoddy routing.
I do not have any "ping lowering" gimmicks that ISPs offer which simply destabilise data transmission i.e. disabled interleaving/gaming mode/fastpath.
Buying my own router over the ISP provided crap. ISP hardware is always irrefutably sub-standard.
Port forward for open NAT etc.
Always playing on an unclogged household network and ensure the xbox is hardwired to the router.
Asking the ISP to run line tests over a period of time to monitor jitter/packet loss etc.
Ensuring my internal wiring is up to scratch.

After the MM issue was hastily patched after a million TU's, MW3 finally became consistently playable around July/August 2012. Additionally the measures I took also led to BO2 running fine pretty much right off the bat whether I'm host or not. Issues are only felt if playing very late at night or when the host is crap (everyone 2/3barring etc). You can choose to blame the game, believe the tinfoil hat theories and endlessly rage on this forum or you can take action on your end. Investigating the above will only benefit you.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:02:27 GMT

Lag comp is a big issue for me. Tbh a few weeks back they seam to fix it for me for a week or so but since this new patch it is unplayable! My clan leader snapped his bo 2 disk two days ago and will never buy another cod game because of how unstable this game is. Give me all the crap you want but I easily held down a 3 kd and 3 w/l is blops 1 yet people with 0.6 kd can beat the **** out of me on this game in 8/10 games i play with this stupid lag comp crap. Also, its nothing to do with what internet anyone has, theres people in my clan with 100 mb fibre optic and peope with 1 mb, and we are all experiencing the same! Also if it's not down to connection its funny how I jumped on blops 1 for a few games after being fed up of the lag and went 30 -2 and 57-7 in 2 games of sabotage!

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:49:30 GMT

Ok, so I'm assuming you don't believe being host can sometimes put some people at a disadvantage. Maybe because you haven't experienced it, or maybe you have. You certainly seem to know a whole lot about what people are experiencing and the excuses they make. Technically I don't know much about connection, ping, or "problematic broadband lines". All I can compare BO2 multiplayer to, are past CoD titles which I never experienced this type of problem. Until you play the game at my place, and find yourself in one of the few host disadvantage games I find myself in, please don't refer to threads like this as a circle jerk. Trust me, I'ld love to be one of the people that don't believe in the so called "lag comp".

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:50:42 GMT

Err it clearly wasn't a personal attack on him or anyone in particular, it's an accurate reflection of what many people do with a hint of humour. The proper method is to check your router data transfer rates if it supports it. Most can't because they're on the junk ISP issued gear, and you wonder why they experience issues and blame the game eh.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:41:46 GMT

CurliestRogue0 wrote:

How can I know definitively when I am host?

The lame method used by most is during a match, while getting owned by the opposing side you must ragequit and hope to see a "Host Migration" screen for a moment upon exit, this indicates you were host. You can then use it as a scapegoat to deny admittance of your own shortcomings against better players and/or dealing with fixing your problematic broadband line. The massive flaw in this method is that it's indiscriminate i.e. it doesn't account for the glaringly obvious fact that you were getting your ass handed to you full stop, irrespective of your percieved notion that your under some magical "Host Disadvantage".

But then what is a moaner to do if you ragequit and were NOT the host??! What can I blame then??

Dont worry! If you ragequit and found you were NOT host then you can also summon the legendary "Lag Comp" excuse as an alternative scapegoat and continue your cycle of denial. It is optional to moan about it later on the forums, but it's kind of satisfying because theres plenty of others doing the same and you can all circle jerk about it together in posts like this. Enjoy!

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:46:33 GMT

I'll try this without a personal attack:

I believe you hit the scoreboard at the earliest possible point when a round starts and you should have 4 bars and everyone else should have less or the connecting symbol.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:14:45 GMT

How can I know definitively when I am host?

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:03:01 GMT

The only thing out of control is peoples inability to understand that what determines a "quality" connection. An 2down/1up stable ADSL connection with no traffic management with an ISP that isn't over subscribed on a line tested and verified to have no jitter/packet loss issues will be superior to your average punters 50down/20up fibre line when it comes to gaming.

So many have been suckered by the marketing BS by companies selling "higher quality" fibre/large bandwidth lines.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:33:41 GMT

I experienced it in mw3, lag comp on that game sucked for the first 6/8 weeks till it was fixed. On this gane though I have not had any of the crap you're saying.

I do pull host a lot and I know when I am host and when I am not, I prefer to be host to be honest.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:52:20 GMT

I have never experienced that in Cod4... I started seeing it once in a while (i am talking like once in 30 or 50 games) back in MW2 but that was towards when the game launched and then there was an update and I hardly ever got it after that.

When blops1 came out, then is when I started to really see all this funny crap happening. The deal breaker was seeing two guys looking away from me, their backs facing me and then shooting them in the back seeing hitmarkers and then after two or three bursts being put into them one just turned round and I just dropped dead... I mean I didn't even see him shoot, I just turned and I was dead.

There was a time when being host was an awesome experience, I mean the game would start and if you had host or someone on your team had host you at least knew connection wise it should be a good game. No guarantee you would win, but at least connection wise the game would feel consistant. it does not anymore.

I love the way everyone who defends this crap seems to think we are all xmas-noobs making this whole thing up.

I heard people complaining about cod4 host being overpowered, I never heard anyone back in cod4 days say they were at a disadvantage the way people are now in this game... It was not always like this, but if you never really experienced it you would not really understand.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:09:34 GMT

while if i get host everytime i get an disadvantage.

its not that im bad orso since im raping from the start under someone else's host.

then host migration starts i get host and bam i get crushed like theres no tomorow.

i rather go back to mw2 days where only the host could get host advantage

not the entire enemy team(btw how does that work host on my team we get advantage, host on enemy team they get advantage)

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:16:21 GMT

Yes this is what I have seen, I really dont think lag comp is the issue. Its shitty host selection that is the problem.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:37:28 GMT

I think it chooses the connection with the best average ping. If the bandwidth isn't high enough on that connection then it lags a lot. This is just what happens when I play with my on friend, he has trash internet but has a 30ms ping for 100 miles. When he gets host it lags quite often, and will often drop him from the lobby.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:28:03 GMT

In my experience, hosting is nothing like what you guys are complaining about. I am fine even when I host a groundwar lobby.

In my opinion the game doesnt always pick the right hosts (this has happend alot and in game I get host migrated to me when this happens.....eventually), it seems to sometimes pick hosts who have a internet connection that either is not stable enough or just plain rubbish.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:26:24 GMT

xTTh wrote:

The host cannot lag and is never behind other players, the host in fact has a huge advantage in this game if you are getting out played on your host you're just trash my friend take it from me I hate playing off host an can tell who's host as soon as he kills me. And I play full party so most people quit and my predictions are correct 90% o the time. Stop blaming lag comp for your lack of skill. Good day.

That is simply FALSE.

Symptoms when hosting:

You don't hit with your primary weapon, aming dead center.

Enemies who round corners ALWAYS have a massive advantage. (This is always true in BO2)

You do not have an advantage when rounding a corner.

Bodies of enemies "jump" from where you killed them to where they actually were server-side.

...

All of these observations suggest that there is, at all times, a separation between the host and the game world, mitigating any advantage a host normally would have.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:36:26 GMT

Have you ever knowingly been host in this game?

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:28:49 GMT

You're failing to adapt, yes it's cod and its basically the same game but its not. For example I was a beast in halo 1 & 2. But 3 I sucked and reach I sucked and now I'm decent at halo 4 same game but you have to adapt.

Re: Host lag comp is out of control!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:05:39 GMT

Oh my, you caught us. We all made this lag comp as host up because we are horrible players and can't live with the fact that we suck. But tell me this. I was unskilled in all the previous CoD's but never complained about lag comp, why?