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Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:58:00 GMT

Crap/Average KD = 1.00

Good KD = 1.50ish

Very good KD = 1.75ish - 1.9

Great KD = 2.0 +

SPM - purely based on what you play. TDM Score per minute for example, will always be lower than any other game mode.

But on average - Great SPM = 400+

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:43:15 GMT

SPM is hard to judge because there is a very wide adjustment say from HCTDM to Hardpoint. Mode based SPM and K/D is what matters. In HCTDM a VERY good SPM is around 200-225, while in HC CTF the lower side of SPM is around 225. All you get score for in TDM are kills, so if a game goes 10 minutes and a guy has 20 kills, its a 200 SPM.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:19:46 GMT

I still think K/D is very important in objective games. I can't tell you how many times I've played with people who play the objective but don't make an effort to win gun battles. They rush the objective (Domination/Hardpoint specifically) and get killed 4 or 5 times before they actually capture it. This leads to our team leading the match for the first 25% or so but then the other team starts calling in score streaks. Now because of teammates who are 5 kills and 26 deaths, the other team starts hammering us with lightning strikes, turrets, dragon fires, etc. I've lost plenty of matches due to the opposing team's score streaks. So even though someone may have 5 or 6 captures, their terrible KD leads to the other team being able to win the game.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:11:54 GMT

We may be idiots, but we go for the objectives.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:09:27 GMT

warzh311ion wrote:

This also means w/l means nothing because someone may have a poor w/l due to idiot teammates sitting back going for kills and not caring if they win.

reads that as 4rum is full of idiots ....

oh wait eu4m is part of 4rum crap it is

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:07:16 GMT

Stats in this game are meaningless. Until they stop allowing idiots to kill farm in the objective games k/d means nothing. It takes no skill to run around the map away from the objective and pick off people who are PLAYING THE OBJECTIVE.

This also means w/l means nothing because someone may have a poor w/l due to idiot teammates sitting back going for kills and not caring if they win.

SPM also is meaningless since not all game types are equal.

Also, many people in this game have connection issues. Until that is resolved not everyone is on equal ground.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:00:27 GMT

CowboySr wrote:

In the end I think what people are saying is the stats that are tracked in this game are not a good indicator of how to judge whether someone is good or not, so dont worry about them.

/agree

i have a pretty low kdr and spm but on the dom leaderboards have 100's more caps and defends than anyone else above me.

i also rock a really good w/l for dom

spm kdr means bugger all for obj games

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:50:05 GMT

the only correct K/D is in deathmatch. Overall K/D doesn't count in my book since it includes objective games. If you're above 1.0 in TD then you're doing good.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:49:40 GMT

I would say that first you look at their SPM and see where they sit on the lobby leaderboard. I'd say anywhere within the top 200,000 players for that particular gametype means they're pretty good (of course this also depends on the popularity of the gametype). Secondly, look at their K/D ratio. If they're within that 200,000 top players and they have a positive K/D ratio, I'd say they're quite good. I'm pretty good at Kill Confirmed, I'm ranked 56,631 with a SPM of 493 and K/D of 1.75. That being said, Kill Confirmed isn't as popular as TDM, so I'd be ranked lower in that gametype w/those same stats.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:45:55 GMT

The correct answer to this question can only be answered with a more specific question. The game modes are all very different as is the scoring. SPM is a good indicator of how active you are, but not to whether you are helping your team. I can run around in TDM going 25-40 and have a good SPM but am I better than the guy who went 10-8? Nope. In TDM +/- is the only stat that means anything at all, and its not tracked. K/D in TDM is generally a good indicator over time of how you contribute, but not as important as +/-. The guy who was 6-3 is not better then the guy who went15-10 although the former will have a better K/D. SPM means nothing in TDM.

In Domination captures, and defends mean something. But SPM is misleading and so is K/D because the guy defending a flag that sees little action is playing an important role. The guy who gives up 40 deaths a round to the other team in killstreaks can be judged too.

In SnD +/- again is the best indicator and its not tracked. K/D is a decent indicator, but SPM means nothing.

In the end I think what people are saying is the stats that are tracked in this game are not a good indicator of how to judge whether someone is good or not, so dont worry about them.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:32:18 GMT

A disire to win makes you a good player.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:05:09 GMT

They should have a Games Quit stat. Then you can see how big of a failure these people with high K/D's are with over 70% of their games quit.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:36:54 GMT

i think when you max out then your k/d should be loked at..i started out and my k/d was 4.2 now am presitge 9 and my k/d always around 1.7 - 2.0 early on in the game your k/d is bound to be high

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:30:12 GMT

K/D is one of the most important stats (not on this game) given all the problems (lag, spawn killing, bad spawns, etc).

If you are getting kills and streaks for that matter you are staying alive and supporting your team by makeing sure there are less enemies on the map to kill them. As you stay alive and get kills you are rewarded for doing the right thing. Staying alive and getting kills. I will not argue that this boosts your k/d it does but to get those streaks you had to do some stuff right. Also, everyone has the same opportunity to use streaks, not everyone has the same ability to get those streaks.

If you are dying (going very negative) you are padding the opposing teams streaks and making it more difficult to capture or defend objectives for your team. You also are not helping your team control the map, which should always be the number 1 priortiy. Every game is pretty simple.

1) Get kills

2) Control the map and where the enemy spawns

3) Capture any objectives

4) Use your slaying skills and map control to maintain the objectives

5) Continute to control the map by slaying and using streaks until the time expires

If you are respawning you can't control, capture or defend and objective and you are taken out of position. You are of no use to your team. Staying alive matters. Getting kills matters.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:15:50 GMT

I always thought that win/loss and win streaks were the most important stat to look at. When you see people with 1500, 100 or 500 wins in a row you know these groups are organized and are going to be tough competition.

All stats are and can be misleading.

Given all the people that quit matches and how the system gives you a loss when the other team dashboards all statistics are essentially useless in this game. Also, the stats don't take into account when you are playing with a team and when you are playing with randoms.

For instance a player might be a 3 k/d, 350-400 SPM 95% win ratio player when playing with a full team but a 1.5 k/d, 280 SPM, 40% win ratio player when playing with randoms. If that player plays on his own with randoms more often say 80% of the time than naturally he or she is going to have lower stats. It does not make them a worse player it just means that he or she is better as part of a team.

I guess the way to gauge what level player you are would be to play league play and see where you rank. If you rank in the top divisions you are a good player, if you rank in the lower divisions you are average to poor.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:14:55 GMT

Average player would be somewhere around 1.25 k/d and 250 SPM. SPM though does NOT reflect your camping habits as depicted earlier. You can achieve a beastly SPM from camping and calling streaks that devastate the other team. I don't get how people equate SPM=movement. From 90% of all high kill videos I have watched, it was achieved through running a very small route in one particular area of the map. They were not rushing a full on assault on the opposing spawn, they were small area camping with minimal movement.

Long story short, these stats are really just the broad strokes to give you a general idea of playstyles. No stat will truly be player defining as you get better/worse with time and your stats may not immediately reflect that change in you gameplay. When I started MW3, my k/d was in the garbage. I learned the system/maps and became a much better player yet my k/d was around .7. I would get into games and completely destroy people sometimes. So don't put too much stock into the stats. It doesn't really mean a lot.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:12:17 GMT

According to Elite, I have a 1.04 and SPM of 278.

I play a lot of domination, so I die a lot because I am obsessed with B and rushing. I also play a lot of KC, and Im not sure how that affects your SPM.

I usually get at least top 3, so I guess that would be about an average score.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:08:35 GMT

SPM is all that matters.

average SPM is in the 300's

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:44:11 GMT

"So you're saying someone with a 3.0 is bad?"

It depends the context. Nobody is impressed with a camper who goes 50-6 on kill confirmed with 0 confirms. Helped the team not at all if the kills were denied, for example.

Re: What is considered a good / above average KDR / SPM?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:32:09 GMT

Keeping above 1.0 and helping your team win is good. TDM with wannabe rushers who go 10-16 are the ones who lose the match for the team. If you're getting shot up, stop rushing and lockdown an area with your squad. Its not camping, it's strategy. Thats how me and my bros do it.