Community: Message List - Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:00:56 GMT

As the problems on PC are just the same as on consoles at the moment I fairly doubt there are "real" dedicated servers that run the whole match on PC.

They may have done something "clever" so the game uses more than a single host (as I haven't seen host migration yet) but that's about it. Feels like p2p, looks like p2p, isn't any better than p2p to me.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 28 Nov 2012 00:30:28 GMT

OP, thanks bro. I fell that many people needed to see this... I just hope they did.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 28 Nov 2012 00:28:24 GMT

Learn how to spell before you insult my new favorite game.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:44:55 GMT

fallenshadow000 wrote:

Honestly, I think Region Lock would solve a LOT of the lag issues. It worked for MW3 in the beginning; I didn't get any lag from that game up until the January update, when all the foreign garbage connections flooded matchmaking.

Yep! Country/region locking would reduce ping times. Sometimes I'm in French lobbies and London is about 30 miles away from where I live....

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:43:25 GMT

trialstardragon wrote:

Actualy no it would not. Dedicates serers are not the golden ticket that fixes all problems or even 50% of the problems that gamers have. Just fools like to think it does. All dedis help is with host migration and stat padding. Dedicated servers still have lag issues and hit detection issues. Even BF3 which has dedi's has all the same problems that CoD can have and just as bad at times minus the host migration issue.

So no dedi's are not nor ever will be the fix to 90% of the problems this game has. Please learn more about them and stop jumping on the dedi bandwagon thinking they are the best thing in gaming when for some games they really are not.

Ever played Gears of War 3 then?

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:27:09 GMT

I think proper dedicated servers would work much better. Would fix all sorts of host migration problems and hosts dashboarding as well. You would never have a "bad host"

What I mean by proper is being able to see the servers and how well you ping to them and pick the one of your choosing. You would have the power to pick servers that you ping well to and you would know exactly what to expect if you picked a server further away. Obviously if your party was spread out you would have to pick a neutral server.

However, at least you would know before entering it would have more lag than usual and you could prepare for it.

With the current system, you have no choice. The matchmaking hasn't really worked correctly in a long time, and it's very inconsistent. Not to mention people dashboarding or quitting and ruining your experience.

Maybe they could even do a hybrid, they could keep regular matchmaking for those who live in less densly populated areas while still offering dedicated servers. This I think would be ideal.

I dont know of anyone who has a lot of experience playing in dedicated servers (you know being able to choose what server you play in) that would prefer the current matchmaking experience.

Treyarch did do dedicated servers on PC (or so they say) but they didn't give people the option to see the servers and see how well they ping to them... which is pointless. For all people know it could just be the regular matchmaking hence all the problems with lag on the PC as well. Just give people the choice to play on a server that they ping well too!!

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:43:42 GMT

it says right there that they don't read forums, twitter, facebook, email only, I guess thats why we never get any feedback on here, lol.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:37:42 GMT

Dedis might not be the golden ticket but neither is the current system. They both have flaws. When I first had a thread about dedis to up my understanding on the subject the money aspect was the main point for not implementing them that came up time and time again.

The other point that came up was vahn saying something along the lines of "then we'll just have to keep the locale only option".

The current system has replaced the locale only with best going by latency but with the possible hindrance of skilled based matchmaking which seemingly is having a detrimental effect. This in turn is leading people to ask the question about dedis again.

It doesn't bother me either way which system they use as long as it provides a reasonable experience for all. At the moment it's not doing that for me and others but some seem to be unaffected.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:37:35 GMT

Actualy no it would not. Dedicates serers are not the golden ticket that fixes all problems or even 50% of the problems that gamers have. Just fools like to think it does. All dedis help is with host migration and stat padding. Dedicated servers still have lag issues and hit detection issues. Even BF3 which has dedi's has all the same problems that CoD can have and just as bad at times minus the host migration issue.

So no dedi's are not nor ever will be the fix to 90% of the problems this game has. Please learn more about them and stop jumping on the dedi bandwagon thinking they are the best thing in gaming when for some games they really are not.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:05:32 GMT

It was great actually when it started. Player numbers were much lower on PC than on consoles but we still had around 150.000 people playing for the first 3 or 4 months.

It worked quite well and hit detection / lag wasn't a problem. When the DLCs came and player numbers dropped it got far worse though.

With proper dedicated servers and an incentive to get your connection right we shouldn't have problems on any mode, anywhere in the world. Not on PC, ot on console.

It may not alway be easy to find a good game right away if you're far abroad or try to play at an odd time of day but apart from that it should simply work fine.

If everyone tried to play off his wireless while mum is on the phone (VoIP), NAT is strict and connects from the middle of nowhere... well Of course that doesn't work.

The sad part is that these guys get the upper hand though because they're being compensated for their bad connections. They shouldn't be.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:41:27 GMT

You said it yourself. 700 people online. Not a lot of stress on the servers.

Did you play that game the first few months it was released? Was an absolute mess.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:36:44 GMT

Why is there no lag in MW2 right now?

The killcams line up everytime, in a game type with 700 people online in the world?

Treyarch have messed up the match making and lag comp.

They shouldn't have touched those codes.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:56:13 GMT

That might be because you are on the benefitting side of lag compensation.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:42:07 GMT

although i'm not questioning whether millions are playing online and experiencing little to no issues, which may very well be true... but it's also just as feasible that most people that experience issues just don't care enough about a video game to make a big deal about it and report it to anyone.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:17:45 GMT

Obviously.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:16:36 GMT

bo2 unplayible

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:35:45 GMT

I've had no lag or connection issues since launch so it's obviously an issue with all of you.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:29:05 GMT

All Vonderhaars arquments are invalid. MW2s connections still work perfectly. Even though it has much less players online.

Any news on "lag comp" fix? BLOPS2 is still unplayable.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:25:07 GMT

I fairly sure 4 bar is up to 99ms, then 3 bar is 100ms-199ms. But i'm calling bullshiit on it because i play mostly on 4 bar connections and am still behind my opponents for almost a whole second. i can dump a full clip into the back of someone, have them turn around kill me. A full clip takes alot longer than 99ms to empty and i lag that much behind.

Re: Vahn discusses Lag/Connectivity issues.

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:17:18 GMT

"This places an upper limit on the ping/latency of the lobby/game you will join."

Any numbers given? What's the upper limit exactly? A Ping below 50ms or more like below 100ms? What does a 4 bar connection actually mean? Again: a ping below 50 ms?
My ping s way below 50 - even on my ps 3 system i ping f.e the google servers in approx. 25 ms, which isn't the top performance u can get but i think it's pretty decent and sufficient to play only games. They should implement stronger boundaries to this "upper limit on the ping" in my opinoin- i don't care waiting even a few minutes to play a game - when it's at least playable.

As i heard bo 2 will use ping-related matchmaking i was like: "Yeah, my dreams finally come true (closer to this would only have been dedicated servers) and it will play as smoothly as bo 1 did for me. But this kind of matchmaking is so flawed at it's current state it either puts me ending up as host, which is truly unbearable or in lobbies with too many different bared players - saw even two bar connections there. Thta's not the way a system like this should be implemented.