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Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:57:33 GMT

I am the leader of sEo (SmokeEmOut) which is a level 50 clan. I have taken it upon MYSELF to appoint members as "Co-Leaders". You don't have to wait for an app (Elite) to create a label for you ... strong clan members, who take charge of a situation, is more than enough. Take charge! Make things happen yourself! For example, I was tired of watching my language and being censored on Elite ... so I created my own clan website where I say whatever I want and exercise my freedom of speech. Honestly, I don't mind doing all of the enlistments myself. It ensures that no mistakes will be made ... I don't mind adding ALL members because it's important to know everyone in your clan ... and messaging your ENTIRE clan is simple when you have a clan website you can post messages on. Anyone who isn't visiting the website to receive those messages ... doesn't have a vested interest to begin with. We are a top 3 clan (Clan Op 9/14) and it is because we understand Elite is what YOU make it. Just my 2 cents.

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:57:12 GMT

I understand where you're coming from. I have a level 50 clan that I started with 20 of our guys. (We were a clan long before ELITE.) I've actually had to pass leadership to one of them. (When I became a Founder and needed to leave and rejoin to add the 500XP bonus back in late November.) Never had an issue getting it back. But I am fully aware that this isn't something very common.

But your idea of having people acting as moderators in game doesn't need ELITE to do anything. You can have your own lieutenants, etc. that you name to do that job without making them co-leaders on ELITE. When we got near 100 members, we split into five divisions (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta and Echo) and each division had its own leader. But none of that needed to be on ELITE to make it so. A co-leader should be able to stand in for the leader when he's gone, etc. Which requires allowing the co-leader to enlist. The BEST solution for your worry would be for ELITE to also add the unenlist button (which has been something several clan leaders have been pushing for).

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:28:31 GMT

Like i said in every response so far. The point behind a Co-Leader is for them to play the part of a Moderator in lobbies... ie... be the neutral voice in an argument and keep everyone playing with out rage quitting. We all know that people that play for 3 hrs straight against other people with skill levels similar to theirs and possibly higher than theirs will get frustrated and quit. I'm sure you have ragers in your clan too. They're everywhere. CoD can get frustrating from time to time and i can't be in every lobby every time someone backs out of a game. I want as many players playing these ops as humanly possible. The other part of that is for them to send out notifications of upcoming ops.... Do you want to continue to send out messages to the people that don't regularly check CoD Elite for upcoming ops? I know i don't. Also, to assist in gathering together lobbies. ie... sending out invites. All of That, in my opinion, is what Moderators should do for CoD Elite Clans. But we are all entitled to our own opinions and its debates like this that help form the best product for the general population.

The most efficient and competitve clans are the ones where with the highest percentage of members of said clan participate in all Clan Ops. You won't get that high percentage of participating members if you don't keep your clan members in the loop and playing. This is the answer for that problem. To have Beachhead Studios Automate Elite by creating more buttons that help us manage the clan efficiently. Some of these buttuns, might need the functionality in place to accomodate other members of the clan leading a team inside of lobbies. Basically, designating someone to be the host of a lobby by sending out the invites prior to matches. And if it was me.... I would be setting up moderators / Co-Leaders with members of the clan that are closest to his time zone for better host connectivity in the game. If everyone in that lobby has a 4 bar connection, you have better odds to get better stats for the clan. And that will, theoretically, rank your clan higher in the leaderboards. Assuming you set your teams up with the right players for the job.

Moving on....

If there is someone in your clan that you trust to take over leadership and give it back to you with out messing everything up for you, then thats your call. Take stock in the fact that you do have someone that you can trust. That is probably the reason why they have the button in there for "Promote to Leader". Maybe they should keep that button in there for that very reason. But from my perspective, i refuse to let anyone take the helm of something i've worked so hard for. Call me selfish, call me greedy.... Thats just my opinion. I take pride in my work and i don't think people should so easily hand things over on a silver platter. "Here's my level 50 Clan that i was the leader of for the last 7 months... I'll make you leader. Just give it back when i get back from vacation" Next thing you know.... Bam... Your kicked from the clan during your vacation. I'm sure situations like that has happened to other people, i can't even tell you how many people have asked if they can be leader of my clan so they can "Invite their friends" and they will "Give the clan back after they're in the clan"

I hope this can help clarify my intentions and thoughts on this.

Lets keep this thread going!

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 16:23:48 GMT

Well, I don't see that that's really relevant. If you don't trust anyone, then don't have co-leadership. Nothing that you're suggesting they be able to do is worth having a co-leader for. The only purpose for a co-leader imo is to be able to enlist in ops/challenges. Nothing else is useful in a co-leader (unless they're artistically gifted or something). If you don't have anyone you can trust, then why would you even suggest having a co-leader? Seems silly and pointless to me.

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:36:15 GMT

http://community.callofduty.com/message/205578558#205578558

So.... i've been searching the web and i found this thread. Obviously i'm not the only one that thinks of these things. Please check this out as well. This idea kind of relates to what i mention at the beginning of this thread but it doesn't go into too many details past PSN and Xbox live messaging being involved in notifications. The messaging system would be a great starting point, but in the interest of keeping a clan Highly active, each clan would need dedicated moderators to keep a watchful eye on the players.

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 02 Sep 2012 10:04:33 GMT

i agree with u xD i dont trust anyone either.. To many ppl rage kicking deleting clans enlisting in 3-4 weeks ops and so on.. Im running a lvl 48 clan atm, i get alot of ppl that say hey i have 5 founders friends with xp boost, u need to make me leader for 2 min so i can invite them because they dont come if u do it. I will give u leader back right after,,, like come on??? stupid

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:02:11 GMT

The problem with a co-leader being able to Enlist in Operations for the Clan Leader is what happens if you get into a dispute with your Co-leader. He then decides to Enlist in Every Operation and challenge just to make sure that every person you add in the future does not get their score counted. People can be petty from time to time. My opinion is Co-Leaders should only act like a Moderator in a forum. Informing the people assigned to him / her that there is an upcoming operation or clan challenge. Rallying the troops and getting games together by sending out invites. And reporting back to the Clan leader when there is a player that is inactive or unruley in a lobby. The Clan Leader is the only person responsible for the clan that he / she started. If the Clan leader decides the best course of action is to burn the clan to the ground, thats their decision and their decision alone.

If you raise a baby, would you entrust your child with a complete stranger? To enroll your child in school, to help your child with homework? This is the same deal. I'm a clan leader. I built my clan from the ground up. I don't trust ANYONE, even if they were my best friend, to run my clan for me.

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 21:53:45 GMT

Co-Leaders shouldn't have any other responsibility other than playing the role of a Moderator of sorts. Basically, he would have teams of people that he watches and plays with, if there are any inactive players, he reports back to the Clan Leader. Only the clan leader can Enlist in operations, Kick inactive players, and Re-arrange teams. All functions of the Clan leader should not change from the current CoD Elite. I would only hope that BeachHead Studios would add more functionality in the form of Buttons next to players names to organize squads.

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 21:49:01 GMT

CoD shouldn't decide anything. There should be buttons next to a Clan members name saying something along the lines of "Promote to Co-Leader". Elite already has a button that says "Promote To Leader". Why i don't know. Once a person is promoted to Co-leader, the Leader or "General", would then create teams underneath him for that Co-Leader to send messages to and to act as a "Moderator" for Clan Operations. If any member of the Co-Leaders Teams is inactive for a lengthy period of time, the Co-Leader can then report to the leader to request either Re-arranging Teams to level the playing field across the clan or kick the inactive player. All of the enlisting, recruiting, kicking, and typical functions of the Clan leader stay the same. CoD Elite does nothing but add buttons that automate certain functions and buttons that delegate who will be assisting with keeping the clan activity high. Like i said, the best way to word a "Co-Leader" is to consider them more like a moderator in a forum like this forum we're chatting in.

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 19:10:44 GMT

I think as a clan leader of 70 ppl atm, it would be cool to have a co leader that can enlist and invite ppl. But i think only the Leader should be able to kick ppl.

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 17:18:22 GMT

Having a co-leader unable to enlist in clan ops makes a co-leader completely useless. Everything else you list anyone in a clan can help with.

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:21:04 GMT

I agree with hierarchy for example co leader who can inv people to the clan enlist in ops kick people change the title but not the tag or name.

When i go away i have to make sure ive enlisted in everything which is a pain in the ass when you can just have a co leader who will do it for you

Re: Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:05:36 GMT

I agree with everything except for COD deciding on who fills out your leadership. Every clan has different needs for leadership and the "general" should decide who is on his/her leadership squad.

Automating Clan Messeging / Hierarchy for Elite 2.0

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:11:26 GMT

http://www.callofdutyeliteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1152

Please see the link above or read the black text below (Its the same thing). I originally posted this in July. I was recently directed to post suggestions to developers here on this site, so i'm reposting this here. Since that time i have been in live chats and tweeting this to Youtubers and to @Beachheadstudios. I just want to ensure this stays fresh in the minds of BeachHead Studios. Possibly even get a thumbs up from the Devs. I'm not concerned about getting credit for this. I just want to throw this out there.

Just keep this in mind as well. Its a good idea to delegate responsibilities to other members of the clan, but only to the extent of keeping the clan active and playing in the clan ops. Not to Enlist the clan in any ops and not to recruit members. That is the Clan Leaders responsibility. Only the clan leader can Enlist in ops, Kick players, add players, change and re-arrange teams.

This idea is mainly for this reason. We need a messaging system in Elite to notify members of Upcoming Operations and Challenges. Preferrably through PSN or Xbox Live. Not through social media. Having a Hierarchy in place would mean the clan leader only needs to notify 15 other people of an operation. 5 of those people would each have 17 members to notify. This is the most efficient way to notify all 100 members of a clan. Not all members of Clans are on Call of Duty at all times. Sometimes they play other games (Heaven help us) but its the truth. lol. Hence, the need for this to be included into the New and Improved Elite. If you want to go Above and Beyond the Call of Duty (so to speak) and include social media in this. That is your call. All i'm asking for is PSN and Xbox Live messaging to be automated so that myself and 5 other members can notify the masses of a clan.

Another note: I'm sure you've seen that some clans are much larger than 100 members. These clans have Regions to them. East Coast, Central, Mountain, Pacific, Etc...... If those clans are smart then Its based off of time zones to keep their gamers playing with people that live closer to the host player for better connectivity. Maybe you could accomodate these clans as well with this idea. Once the clan meets 100 members or hits level 50, whichever comes first, they have the option to continue to grow. Take "TheWickedElite" on Xbox for example. That clan has members across the globe. What would make running that clan smoother is to have one person enlisting 5 or 6 clans in every operation and creating an automated message from elite that notifies each subordinate player of an upcoming operation.

If there are any suggestions on how to improve upon this idea, please comment.

Original Posting below.....

I think we should make this happen. Let me know what you think.

I would like having a hierarchy inside the clan for people to report to, that would help streamline the teams. To have some way, in Elite, to designate Leaders and give them responsibilities...

Example...

Each clan currently can only hold 100 players. This is based off that number.

1 Clan Leader (General of the Army) - Leads 2 teams (Team of 6 gamers, team of 4 gamers including the Clan leader... probably youtubers to help recruit and spread the word of the clan, and play games) Preferably people with the capability to record gameplay via Capture card, do commentary, edit videos... etc... Or maybe just the best of the best players in the clan. Highest K/D ratio's, Highest score per minute.... give the players something to work up to. Something to feel proud of.

5 Co-Leaders (Officers) Each Co-Leader leads 3 teams of 6 gamers.

Do the math. It adds up

All players can rank inside the clan up to a certain point. Rank should be based on objective gameplay. How much you have contributed to the clan. Example... How many times a player was MVP... S.P.M.... etc. This way, if a Co-Leader leaves. The clan leader can easily find the best player in the clan to replace him.

This would also, help us quickly find the people that are not contributing to the clan. If one of my officers tells me he/she has a member of their team that hasn't played in a week, i can then address it. If addressing it means simply re-arranging the teams to make sure each team has the most people playing, then we can do that. If that means kicking the player due to inactivity, then we can do that.

I think that this would be HUGELY beneficial to Elite 2.0. It would give us more to do in Clan ops. Give us more control of our teams. It would help clan leaders spread the word of an upcoming Clan op or Clan challenge. We can Be more competitive. CoD Elite would be its own version of Major League Game battles. Let me know what you think.... Please reply.