Community: Message List - Dashboard isn't a negative thing

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 09 Feb 2013 18:51:21 GMT

I Dashboard in 98% of my matches because of noobs, lag or any unfair deaths such as being spawn killed

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:49:36 GMT

Whether it's "leaving the game early", "Rage Quitting" or "Dashboarding" it's up to the other players to decide if it's bad. They'll leave you Negative Feedback for it if they think it is.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:04:35 GMT

Jus_Call_me_J has a hilarious bee in his bonnet about dashboarders, he's one of the selfish ones who demand hosts suffer host lag, and rewind time lag compensation for his own benefit. Clearly someone who has never, or very infrequently pulls host and therefore opinions on host lag are invalid.

His very narrow minded and blinkered view that all dashboarders do it to improve their stats, whilst true in some instances where players, maybe of "pro" or "competetive" status need to keep their high KD I dunno, to stay in some random irrelevant league or competition, is not true of at least half of the people that do it.

My reasoning for dashboarding is in protest against the way lag compensation has progressed MW2 it wasn't noticable at all, then Treyarch came along and completely ruined IW's hard work on keeping the host lag balanced. I refuse to have negative gameplay recorded on my account which is downright unfair because of something out of my control. When i'm not host, i'll go negative and finish the game not an issue - so arguements that it's to improve stats are completely invalid, and no matter what anyone says, will stay invald (don't get too mad J)

If i'm host i'll give it a minute or 2 to see how the games running, as there are instances when pulling host has no effect - in the rare occasion you get 12 players in a lobby that are fairly close to your location. If I can avoid dashboarding I will, but i'd say out of 100 times I pull host, at least 50 will be dashboarded. Unfortunate, unfair but I don't care. At the end of the day most people who never pull host are too selfish to admit there's a problem, and/or that hosts should suffer, complete the game whilst they have a good game, lag free. That is part of the protest, and the reason I will dashboard.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 08:35:57 GMT

I'm the OP and didn't mention anything about host dash boarding. Stop lying to make yourself look good or for whatever reason. Like I said, ill dashboard anytime I want. Maybe if the game didn't have these problems I wouldn't as well as others. I paid the same price for this game as you did. It's not my fault with the errors within the game causes another error within the game. What's fun playing with lag lag comp spawn errors and other various bs.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:44:20 GMT

nuttin2say wrote:

If I dashboard and it does not affect you, why do you care if I dashboard? I understand your frustration with people that DB as host ... but if someone leaves a match, who cares how they left?

This paragraph here is the fundamental difference between right and wrong or at the very least a big part of that...

The OP came on here and was very provocative in the way he bragged about HOST DASHBOARDING which prematurely ends everyone's game...

Nobody can condone that sort of behaviour...

Nuttin2say has his own reasons for Dashboarding and he does not brag about his KDR or WLR etcetera. Also he does not affect anyone else's stats when he occasionally does it...

Your average Dashboarder on the other hand drops out of games specifically to manipulate their own stats and make them look better. They will then proceed to brag about their stats and rag on other players for having worse stats than their falsified ones...

This is where it all goes pear shaped...

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:44:53 GMT

nuttin2say wrote:

Another thing I forgot to mention ... simply leaving a match substantially increases the odds of being dropped right back into the same lobby. By dashboarding, I think (don't quote me on this) the console's cache clears. In any case, when I back out and search for another match, too often I get dropped back into the lobby I just left. When I dashboard, I can't recall that ever happening.

edit - btw, not only do my deaths not count, nor do my kills. More importantly for me, I basically play to complete challenges. It isn't cool to complete a big challenge within the first few kills then to start lagging like no one's business (but only when you happen to be shooting at a specific opponent) and then decide to DB out of a match.

It works both ways.

Yeah I find it a bit odd that I go back into the same lobby. Given the popularity of the game I should be placed into a different lobby. Once I got put back into the same lobby twice. It was jsut a map I didn't want to play as it was unfavourable for leveling up the specific weapon. But if you join mid game and don't spawn you can DB and that should help, since you're not host.

I sometimes play a different game mode if I see Domination come up on the Barebones section if I'm leveling up snipers.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:02:14 GMT

Another thing I forgot to mention ... simply leaving a match substantially increases the odds of being dropped right back into the same lobby. By dashboarding, I think (don't quote me on this) the console's cache clears. In any case, when I back out and search for another match, too often I get dropped back into the lobby I just left. When I dashboard, I can't recall that ever happening.

edit - btw, not only do my deaths not count, nor do my kills. More importantly for me, I basically play to complete challenges. It isn't cool to complete a big challenge within the first few kills then to start lagging like no one's business (but only when you happen to be shooting at a specific opponent) and then decide to DB out of a match.

It works both ways.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:58:16 GMT

I'll put a stopwatch to it next time I do it. LOL! I don't know the exact amount of time it takes.

It is a pain, true. Like I said, I don't do it often. There's certain things that happen in-game when I do it and, unless I have to quit playing entirely, if it does come down to a need to DB, it happens very early in the game, not at the verge of losing.

But you have to understand that I will spend fifteen minutes looking for a "good" lobby if I have to (and usually I have to). So, a half minute or so is no big deal to me. I'm not going to get a gold medal for being the fastest to get into a match.

If I dashboard and it does not affect you, why do you care if I dashboard? I understand your frustration with people that DB as host ... but if someone leaves a match, who cares how they left?

As I've stated in the past, I don't leave because of stats. I think my stats demonstrate that I do not leave because of that. There are other reasons I leave matches. As of late, the main reason I leave is because of lag. If I can play through the lag, I will. But not all lag is random, for starters, and some lag cannot be played through. And, in order to play through lag, that includes simply finding a corner in which to just ride my way through the match - in other words, corner camping.

But, then, you know, camping, for whatever reason, is also considered politically incorrect.

So the bottom line is, I'll play the game the way I want within the provided rules. There is no rule violation for dashboarding, there is no rule violation for camping.

And it really does not matter to me what people think about those things. I have no trouble overcoming campers and a host dashboarding (which I do not see happening that often) does not bother me in the way that it once did.

Like I said, I feel your pain. But until IW/TA change the rules (which they say is not going to happen), you can either let it bug you ... or join them.

(BTW - my username is based upon my GT. In-game, you're hard pressed to hear any comments from me at all ... even when people are dolling out their rage.)

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:48:53 GMT

o ok, i stand corrected, dashboarding? back to the xbox dashboard D'OH! i get it. makes sense. i thought it was the hard press where you turn off the system or the controller. either way though, its still kind of lame to do that, like i said if you are going to quit just leave the lobby. i quit plenty of games i just leae the lobby and search for a new one. my stats be damned, which they pretty much are anyway. lol. btw if you can start a game and get into a lobby from the dashboard all in thirty seconds i want the xbox you have.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:40:33 GMT

ovadosa wrote:

with nothing to say, you sure said alot. my point is, if you are dashboarding to escape a bad game or lag why not just leave the lobby and find another? isnt that much easier and quicker rather than powering up your system again and loading up the game again? signing in again?

doesnt that also put some serious wear on the system? i think i came across someone who said they dashboarded 15x in one day? turning off and on the game that much cant be good for the life of your system, not to mention thats not a good way to turn off your xbox in the middle of a game while connected online. the only reason i see to dashboard is to not have those deaths count towards your stats.

That's not how "dashboarding" as you are refering to works. A player does not have to power down their system. All they need to do is hit the button on their controller that pulls up the console dashboard screen. On Xbox 360, that's the center, green "X" button. A screen pops up asking if the player wants to go to the Main Menu. Hit the "Y" button and, poof, game over and no negative effects from that game are recorded against your stats.

With COD games, the fact that you were in that game is recorded. It will even show you what you accomplished before you left the game.

The stats of every other player DO record.

Only the stats of the player who dashboarded are not recorded.

To get back into another lobby takes a grand total of about 30 seconds.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:36:26 GMT

Here's the thing ... there's bigger things in life to worry about than Call of Duty.

That goes for both sides of the argument. If someone dashboards because of stats, I mean, really, what's the point? Are the Dallas Cowboys going to try to sign you as a free agent because you're an elite gamer? Okay, maybe not the cowboys ... but MLG/GB is not going to offer you some special contract, either.

On the flip side of the coin, as IW has explained, there are a lot of reasons why a host may leave a match unexpectedly. Someone can trip on a cord (though it has not happened in my house in years, that could very easily happen), there could be a storm that causes electricity to blip or blink, there could be a regional or area power shortage, construction down the street can cause a connection to be lost, a child or pet could accidently press the on/off button ... there are a lot of reasons why it can appear that someone "dashboarded."

In the eyes of IW, it is not fair to credit those persons a loss because of events outside their control (not my opinion, the opinion of IW & Activision in general since TA works the same way).

Now, the logical comeback is that it is not fair to the rest of the lobby that a "good" match is not counted. While this is true, not everyone in the lobby is having a "good" match. In fact, at best, it is usually no more than four players having what is normally considered a "good" match. And to most of those four players, a "good" match is not really extraordinary (in other words, it's just another "good" match). Thus, to those players, generally the fact a game was ended prematurely without consequences does not matter to them.

IW provided other reasons, as well, why dashboarding does not count as a loss. I don't necessarily agree with this line of logic ... but I can see their point of view ... as well as the point of view of all the players involved with the above scenarios.

Yes, I can make arguments as to why the the dashboarder should still be credited a loss. In fact, I made such arguments. But the problem is, once the host's connection is lost, there is flat out no way to know what the outcome of the game would have been. I've been in too many matches where scores have done unbelievable reversals. I think most everyone posting here can recall such a match. If not, you haven't played enough Call of Duty.

Then you get into the issue of boosters, as well. As some of you may know, anyone can create a free Xbox Live account that lasts for thirty days before your free period of online gaming ends. What is to stop someone from creating such an account and purposely entering lobbies in order to dashboard - scoring themselves a loss and their buddy a win? Boosting is already a problem, changing the system would only make it worse.

At the end of the day, IW is fully aware of the dashboarding loophole. Unfortunately, they have no intention of ever changing this aspect of their game because of the reasons above as well as other reasons. What's more, as so many people have noted, dashboarding takes a lot of time away from gaming time. As far as IW is concerned, dashboard all you want: it will take you that much longer to build up enough stats to be considered a respectable gamer.

All of this considered, I gave up my fight against dashboarding early in the release of MW3. I do not advocate dashboarding. At times, as I have stated a couple times in this thread, I do it myself ... but I am very sparing in my use of the big X button. J knows why I do it and I understand his point of view and I fully respect it.

So this is what I suggest people do if they don't like dashboarders. Keep a pen and a piece of paper handy. If you know who the host was and that person dashboarded, write down their GT as best you can then look that person up in the Dashboard (using friends search) and then Submit a Review - avoiding that player for poor sportsmanship.

Stressing over dashboarding is simply going to ruin your gaming experience.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:18:42 GMT

with nothing to say, you sure said alot. my point is, if you are dashboarding to escape a bad game or lag why not just leave the lobby and find another? isnt that much easier and quicker rather than powering up your system again and loading up the game again? signing in again?

doesnt that also put some serious wear on the system? i think i came across someone who said they dashboarded 15x in one day? turning off and on the game that much cant be good for the life of your system, not to mention thats not a good way to turn off your xbox in the middle of a game while connected online. the only reason i see to dashboard is to not have those deaths count towards your stats.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:11:02 GMT

I KNOW RIGT!

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:09:02 GMT

OMG!!! Yikes! Mommy! Mommy!

sum weerd man on call ub dootee kawld me a stat hoar!!!

LOL!

(couldn't resist the temptation for a response like that).

Anyway, to be fair, I'd say it's actually about 5 pages of people defending DB'ing and 11 pages of people calling DB'ers stat whores. No offense intended toward either side of the debate ... just saying.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:57:54 GMT

wow 16 pages of people defending dashboarding? wow. if you dashboard you are just a stat whore, i can understand quitting or leaving a game you feel is too laggy or you get put in a game, because the whole team quit and you spawn in with all this airsupport in the air and the other team running amok. if you dashboard all you are doing is trying to pad your stats, why dashboard? just quit and find another lobby. dashboarding is so the game cant record how horrible you just did. i read a few excuses and they are laughable.....

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:08:15 GMT

WonkySausage wrote:

Now i've reached a point in MW3 where I won't go further in terms of prestige (6) and level (80), I'll probably not dashboard as much. That said, I've barely played in like 2 months just because i'm sick and tired of all this.

If you want to find me on elite or something, my gamertag is my username, with a space between the two words rather than one whole word. By all means, join sesh if you fancy a game, whilst I appear a moany old bastard on here, I actually enjoy a good game on CoD with good peeps.

I can't play with US players I'm afraid because I or they end up on a 2bar or I would join you for a few... lol

Jump off of that FFA if you wanna up your W/L a bit...

I'm just an average skilled player, but I still can't get enough of this sh!t...

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:08:08 GMT

This thread is still going on? People still deffending the reason to dash? Like i said before, if you dash, you care about stats. You are also selfish and your stats mean nothing at that point. I get dashed on all the time and it happend 5 times yesterday. It is all good. I still got a 10.00+ W/L....and it is legit.

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:59:08 GMT

nuttin2say wrote:

BTW, J, though I haven't been active on the forums for a few days, I have still been following my favorite conversations and A LOT of information has come out in the last couple of days regarding flaws in the system.

Thanks for explaining that fibre line stuff mate...

And Oh Really? Prey PM and tell Sir?

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:56:52 GMT

I don't mind that people ragequit when they are getting dumped on, just don't dashboard it. You ruin the game that everyone else is enjoying with your spiteful tantrums. If it wasn't about ruining the game for others then why not just exit the proper way so that a host migration can occur and others finish the game?

Re: Dashboard isn't a negative thing

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:40:23 GMT

Now i've reached a point in MW3 where I won't go further in terms of prestige (6) and level (80), I'll probably not dashboard as much. That said, I've barely played in like 2 months just because i'm sick and tired of all this.

If you want to find me on elite or something, my gamertag is my username, with a space between the two words rather than one whole word. By all means, join sesh if you fancy a game, whilst I appear a moany old bastard on here, I actually enjoy a good game on CoD with good peeps.