Community: Message List - Teammate Abuse

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:18:17 GMT

LOL...no offense intended...

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:39:37 GMT

LOL I am not sure how to take that, really. But I agree. Its all about having fun. When I first started on W@W I was God Awful, but still just had fun. Nobody yelled or screamed at me when I had a bad game, and I eventually improved. I always say I am an average player, and I don't have any aspirations of being an MLG pro.

I try to enjoy MW3, but its so hard sometimes with the way things are. Not only is the game itself a mess, the community just seems more hostile than ever. I get a few awesome people from time to time that are just fun to play with, but its happening fewer and far between.

I enjoy myself when I play with my friends, but they are not enjoying playing anymore either, so its harder to catch them online.

Keep having fun man, thats what its all about.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:52:31 GMT

drew,

Yep, I agree...defining skill accurately may be a very hard thing to accomplish. Maybe your idea is best... rankings etc...some motivation for the "serious gamers" (i always find that term an oxymoron lol) to play against each other and have another lobby for noobs like me.

Its no fun getting stomped all the time, but I just laugh at myself and move on. I've got better things to worry about that my stats, w/l, etc...

Good luck! Hope to run into you some time online...hopefully I will be on the other team so you can do well!

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:07:44 GMT

Well put. I never have problems with players like you, guys who are just playing to have fun, try hard, and enjoy playing. I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be... the greatest player out there. I have good games and bad games. I do what I can to be consistent, and try my best ever round.

As for matching players by skill level... that is difficult. Even placing people by prestige or K/D wouldn't always mean that the skills are evenly distributed. Its tricky, for sure.

I think ultimately, because of what CoD has wraught on this community with the constant EPeen and stat mongering, they will need to get to a point where there are ranked and unranked matches. The ultra-competitive win at all costs guys can play ranked matches, while those of us who enjoy competition but ultimately value fun over anything else can play in unranked matches.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:02:49 GMT

Thank you. The first iteration was a little confusing, this one made a lot more sense to me. Very good points, thanks!

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:53:01 GMT

better ignore your messages too

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:49 GMT

I have my preferences set so I can never hear anyone in the lobby. So all of you "great" players can say what you want. I won't hear you.

I think nicedrew has a very good point. I am by no means a good player AT ALL. I just started playing Xbox in March (never picked up a controller in my life). So yeah, I suck. Still learning all the damn buttons...lol

But who cares? I paid for the game, paid for xbox live, etc.... I will play the way I want to. If you don't like it, go find another lobby. I'm learning how to play, I try to do my best and most importantly I want to have fun. Remember fun? Playing the game to laugh (even at yourself)?

I always thought that the devs should focus more on getting people into lobbies with players that are their same skill level. I think that would go a long way to solving this issue. Players are sent to lobbies based on skill (how "skill" or "level" is defined, I will leave to the smart people on the development staff) are always sent to lobbies where the skill level is on par with their own. I think that would help better players enjoy the game much more, and alloow noobs to get "hooked" and therefore increase market share for this genre. Forget about death streaks, etc... just match people based on connection AND skill.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:27:52 GMT

id say abuse is a stong word, id say calling out the obviouse, and I do have a right to under freedom of speech..

its not about winning or losing, it is about fun all day everyday..

if your going to do something or anything.. be good at it, if your not, its okay, be respectful to other peoples games and to the others who are at a higher level who want to do well..

if I was a liability on a team, im not going to stay in the game and disrespect my teammates who have to compinsate for my lack of skill...its not fair to them

if you dont leave the game, thats fine, but you will then deserve to be flamed over your poor performance.. plain and simple

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:03:14 GMT

Really, nicedrewish?

- Most of the time someone is abusing teammates over performance, the abuser has no room to talk

- Contrary to what Error_6 & some others said, they have no "right" to abuse other players

- Abusers act as if either the world will end if they don't win ...

- Abusers act like they are professional gamers ... they aren't

- And having a high kdr and/or wlr when you only play with a party does not reflect individual skill, it reflects your ability to be a member of a team.

Does that help?

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:31:27 GMT

I've read this three times and I am not sure what you mean....

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:47:30 GMT

You're experience is 100% accurate. I was part of a discussion about this one night with Ghandi and he said that, though the team-making aspect uses more data than I mentioned, I had the general concept right.

There is no short and sweet way to explain the details of how team-making works. I guess the easiest way to say it is like I did earlier: each person in the lobby is weighted by a whole bunch of statistics.

Even people in a party are weighted. If it is a party of six, then the other six members are automatically placed on the opposing team. But if there are, say three players in a party, they are weighted and then the other players are divided up to weight each team as close to the same as possible.

Unfortunately, when a party is in the mix, it is just about impossible to weight the two teams so that there is an actual balance in skill as measured by objective results.

The emphasis, starting with MW3, upon clans has made it much more difficult for lone wolf players to play against other random players. However, that's only because with more incentives to play as a party, there are more parties in the population than there has ever been in the past.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:19:05 GMT

Granted it does do all sorts of funky things, like put all the good players on one team, all the split screeners on one team etc.

But in general in my experience it tries to even things up.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:17:52 GMT

Mute is great!

I've mentioned this before ... every now and then I turn the mute off to get a feel for how other players are talking about the game in general.

I'd say almost every time that I hear someone abusing teammates or others in the lobby, it is some guy that finishes 6th or 7th overall in the lobby and 4th or 5th place on their team. They always have a kdr somewhere between 1.0 and 1.4. They almost always have their clan tag title on denoting their clan is level 5 or 7. I am my own clan and I'm level 8. Yay!

Hey, you know what's really hillarious about these guys that are so adamant that they have some sort of U.S. Constitutional or U.N. constitutional right to curse weak players?

1 - They are not getting paid to win games ... and they are especially not getting paid to win against randoms. Or ... at least ... I sure hope they don't feel 3L337 for doing so.

2 - Obviously Spectre is not going to take over the world if someone loses a match. Nor is any other evil force.

BTW ... if all you do is play with a clan/team/party and the best you can do is a 2.5 kdr?

That's not 31337. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Eh, actually, I'm not sorry.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:09:43 GMT

In a nutshell ... That happened because it does not only look at your kdr. It considers a lot of different data from each individual player then weights the team accordingly.

There's more to how teams are created, but, sans parties (and if there are less than six in a party, you can predict who the remaining players will be on that team, as well), that is how teams are decided.

That is N O T how lobbies are created. Understand, please, that is NOT how lobbies are created.

It is ONLY how teams are created once a lobby has been created.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:47:38 GMT

Welcome to COD, Child Online Daycare. Uhhhh, I mean Call of Duty.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:45:26 GMT

I do the same most of the time with my crew. We try to avoid it if we are less than six because we want to communicate with teammates during the match, but sometimes it gets to a point where we just can't put up with it anymore.

A large portion of my friends list has given up on this game, partly because of the game itself, but in large part due to them being sick and tired of dealing with the community.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:42:56 GMT

Thank you. I think in all the chest-beating over stats, people forget that it is just a game. There is still a place for sportsmanship and basic human decency.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:57:02 GMT

This is one of the reasons me and my clan play in party chat. We have our preferences set to play voice chat through both headset and speakers though, that way if we get randoms that are communicating we can switch to game chat. We just find it prevents much unneeded crap with trash talking, arguments, accusations of hacking and modding etc.

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:53:16 GMT

i dont think its a mistake, its called you want to win, and when others arent/ or cant pull their weight, why should you not be able to call them out? at the end of the match you lose as a team, but you have to pick apart why you lost.. one member cannot do it all.. I feel it is the responsiblity of the player who is doing poorly to take him or herself out of the game

i know that its the right thing to do if your doing poorly... i know I would..

Re: Teammate Abuse

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:49:10 GMT

no I haven't, I have never seen someone do so horribly, then the next game is going 50-2.. correct I have not... I have had bad games, they usually look like 16-12.. but id say Im personally a consistent player. call it gangster if you like, but really its called using what works for your play style, and using it when things arent going your way.