Community: Message List - K/D vs W/L

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Apr 2012 02:29:47 GMT

Yeah that stink! Every time you turn on your xbox and wanna play the entry fee is get a loss.

I made a topic about that, where my solution was: Only the matches started from the begining will count, if you get dropped in a game only score, kills and match bonus will count, no lose or win.

but if you leave the game it will count as a loss, no matter if you just join the game.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:27:41 GMT

W/L doesn't really matter to me since I play with randoms most of the time. Also a good portion of my loses are from joining games that are almost over.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:59:29 GMT

Sounds like you only play the easy games there mate or in partys ,that reply tells me you havnt flown solo much against experienced shooters .

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:32:01 GMT

W/L is really hard to maintain when you play solo. Aside from getting thrown into losing games half the time you also run a high risk of being put on teams with the full spectrum of noobs. From those who enjoy just messing around to those who are deliberately horrible to those who are just bad. Playing solo for much of BO and Mw2, maintaining a 1 W/L was a triumph.

Find a few guys to play with and that will change drastically. I have found that you really need at least 5 players to avoid being thrown into the middle of a game, less than that you still stand a better chance but it will happen from time to time.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:28:04 GMT

I play dominination and i consider myself a good player, Playing the objective is not keep loosing it & keep jumping on the flag getting killed a lot of times, If you play well the objective & DEFEND it the way it should be, you dont get more than 1 or 2 captures a game.

Playing the objective the way it should, will give you a high KD.

Why people think that playing the objective is getting killed? Im sorry but if you play the objective and get killed you dont know how to play it.

Before im going to plant the bomb or capture the flag, i secure the area and only then i do it, so i dont get killed, using the right equipment & attachment is a must. for me that is a good player.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:47:17 GMT

I got a small k/d 1.53 so i can say size doesnt matter, considering most sizeable people i know or come across back out of the hard ones and stay in the easy ones.The best players in my book are the balanced players especially in Objective gamemodes.While individual stats dont give the measure of a shooter,IMO once there looked at collectively the picture becomes clearer of a players ability .Ask your self this, who would develop into the better player. A : some one who focuses on the win and does whats required to achieve this or B: someone solely focused on k/d and manipulates it anyway he can to get it as high as he can. And what one makes for a better more enjoyable game 12 shooters trying to win a game of domination or 12 shooters trying to up k/ds. Debatable yes, but my thoughts none the less : PS Had to add i'll keep jumping on the flags to get that high score done it 13000 times already this release i aint stopping now ,just to get good ;p

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:26:25 GMT

Lag can be a ***** to K/D..

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:28:36 GMT

No, winning is not everything in playing a game. The fun is in just playing the game and wasting time doing so. Or just hanging out with friends online doing something. It is not always about the win for everyone. You can loose a match and still have a great game that was a lot of fun. Winning is just a bonus to some people it is not the win but the actions during the game that matter the most.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:25:38 GMT

I can agree with that analogy. using both to compare against each other as a baseline is better than just using one or the other to try and determine how good a player was.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:18:44 GMT

I have been playing COD mp since cod 2 came out on xbox. I have read many threads over the years regarding this and all i have to say is: Unless you are talking about ffa then you are wrong. K/D has no basis in objective game modes. There are to many variables involved in a objective game that will make your K/D swing either way. Unless of course you do not play the objective and only care about your k/d.

As for W/L, it is also not something to look at. This again is very deciving. Having a insanely high W/L only shows one thing. That you party up with good players and play for the win. Anyone that is half descent and is always in a full party should have at the least a 3.00 W/L. You can not yet again judge someone with a bad W/L. That player may be a lone wolf and is always a random against another team. Even if he plays the objective, having 5 bad players on his team is never oing to get him a win.

So here is how i look at players in my lobby:

If running solo with a k/d higher than 2.50, that player usually has a bad W/L or dashboards frequently once the game is not in his favor

High k/d with a full party and good W/L. Means they play the objective and most likely they will poop in your mouth.

High k/d full party and bad W/L. Means they screw around, dont care about the objective and going to either leave right away or practice there quick scoping and then dashboard.

The players to be most worried about in TDM or objective games are the players with average k/d's and average w/l's. These teams play the objective for the win or know how to play TDM as a group. They will do what is needed to secure a objective and get the win. No matter what there stats look like after the game.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:03:07 GMT

Just party up.

Nothing increases KD like playing with a party

1: You don't get thrown into games against other parties, because fair matches must be avoided at all costs, so the game will most often assemble a team of scrubs against you, and then the losers will quit and new will-be losers enter the game without knowing anything about your party or your threath, but because NOT everyone leaves, you will never face a full opponent party except perhaps the first round.

2: They don't do stupid stuff like the 12-16 year old random players which makes up half the playerbase at all times.

3: They don't quit on you and your connection will be stable with few host migrations when a partymember hosts

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:51:47 GMT

IMO here are the imporant stats in order of importance:

1. Connection

2. SPM

3. KD

3.5 W/L

I run an exceptionally high w/l, but an average k/d. So I am man enough to admit, I would like to have my KD bumped some, but I just can't do it at the expense of my w/l

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:46:04 GMT

I just don't see how the game is fun for most players if you don't win? I mean isn't that the whole point of playing video games, to win? I hate losing, I could care less about any stat in the game. But Winning is the whole point of this game and pretty much every other game out there, isn't it? k/d to me isn't any sort of indication of how good a player is. I've played against teams before with 5-12 K/D ratios and they all have similar playing styles, sit in one room together, portable radars, claymores, you name it. C-4 multikill for me, they dashboard. My K/D has been dropping like a bomb lately because I stopped prestiging and started working on gold guns and my titles/emblems for the guns. Currently running around with a lvl 28 dragunov overkill with the model lvl 19. All I want to say is have fun, use different guns, play to win, and remember in like 6 months when the next title drops no one is going to care about mw3 stats.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:29:33 GMT

Nybor wrote:

Sorry I wasn't as clear on the SPM aspect. To clarify, in BO the SPM, used in conjunction with KD, was a better indicator of player ability.

Very true couldnt agree more

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:28:01 GMT

I suppose if your talking TDM, K/D matters the most. Outside of that, not at all. Anyone can sit in a corner on domination and go for kills while completely ignoring the objective, its not that hard.

W/L would have meant something if infected lobbies didnt count towards it. Someone on my friends list has 12 something W/L ratio because all he does is play infected now.

I think score per minute is a good indicator of player skill, and not lobby leaderboard rank.

Leaderboards are flawed in the fact that alot of the higher ups only have more time on their hands than most people and/or no other hobbies outside of the game as compared to those who are actually good.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:24:18 GMT

I agree with the OP in the following sense:

All of the best players have a high KD.

Not every who has a high KD is one of the best players.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:08:16 GMT

Sorry I wasn't as clear on the SPM aspect. To clarify, in BO the SPM, used in conjunction with KD, was a better indicator of player ability.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:41:15 GMT

Threads like these make me laugh why does everybodys world revolve around statistics......

Before i start i dont have a problem with people that like to keep track of there progress and that try to find ways of improving themselves as a player...

I have pretty decent stats myself to be fair a 2+k/d & just as decent w/l but they mean nothing to me and nor should they to you i mainly play TDM normally in a full 6 and we usually clean up every game but just the same when i play alone i normally get my arse handed to me i injoy the game for what it is a game....

Yes there are some better players out there then others they call noobs well geuss what we were all so called noobs once you dont just jump into a game and be the god of cod you start off the same way everybody else does so dont think coz ur stats have higher numbers then other peoples ur there superior coz ur not...

But when it comes down to it i dont trust any k/d w/l or leaderboards because people who's world seem to revolve around stats are mainly persistant dashboarders or boosters that either dash or boost there way to the top of the leaderboards or to maintain their stats and others boost for their k/d manipulating w/l along the way too...

I myself dont see the point in caring so much about stats that are irrelevant to ur life i mean ur not going to sit in a pub with ur mates in 30 years time bragging about how good ur cod stats were way back when because i guarantee nobody will give a rats arse...

Wise up people its just a game injoy it

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:32:15 GMT

finishing top of a losing team means your still on the losing team. getting 50 kills in a demo is good but if you're planting or defusing how do you expect to be on the winning team.

At the end of day the easiest way to lose a game is hope that team mates do your work for you while you sit back grabbing as many kills as you can, because if no one plays the objective you won't put any points on the board.

Re: K/D vs W/L

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:02:55 GMT

SPM was really on indicative if you were a run-n-gunner not really a good player. I could easily keep a high spm and do terrible on k/ds by rushing around getting as many kills per minute as possible even if I died several times during that time span too.

In this game epecially with kc. spm would really be way off because of those that only killed compared to those that got the tags. those that grabbed the tags would have a much higher spm but may have a much lower k/dr overall.

I used to get 3-6k a match in kc by just running after tags and maybe getting 10-20 on kd/r