Community: Message List - A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:18:12 GMT

bubbacake wrote:

DLSV2 wrote:

bubbacake wrote:

You do realize that a Dead Silence person also has the ability to sound-whore, right?
It's even easier since you don't hear your own footsteps.
That's what I was referring to, but to add to that is that you can't be sound whored by other people.

I group the people who sound whore with D.S with the people who use Assassin and Heartbeat Sensors: Hypocrites

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:02:21 GMT

DLSV2 wrote:

bubbacake wrote:

You do realize that a Dead Silence person also has the ability to sound-whore, right?
It's even easier since you don't hear your own footsteps.

That's what I was referring to, but to add to that is that you can't be sound whored by other people.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:59:06 GMT

bubbacake wrote:

You do realize that a Dead Silence person also has the ability to sound-whore, right?

It's even easier since you don't hear your own footsteps.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:53:40 GMT

Its completely unreasonable to change perks based on game modes, but thats ok because theyre both fine already. Ill keep using steady aim and leave you guys to it.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:50:23 GMT

That's funny, because last time I "sound whored" people, I was rushing and constantly trying to flank the enemy because I was more aware of where they were located.

Stop generalizing about people who use their ears.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:47:35 GMT

HERE IS MY REPLY FROM EARLIER THAT PERTAINED EXACTLY TO THE TOPIC. A COMPROMISE IS, AS FOLLOWS, A SETTLEMENT OF DIFFERENCES BY ADJUSTMENT OF CONFLICTING OR OPPOSING CLAIMS.

deucedouglas wrote:

It should negate Dead Silence in every game mode. The way it should work is that if you have Sit Rep Pro, people with Dead Silence make the same amount of noise as they would if you both weren't using either perk. People without Dead Silence footsteps should be amplified like they already are.

In case you are having trouble identifying the compromise, I'll explain. INSTEAD OF SIT REP PRO COMPLETELY NEGATING THE FACT THAT YOU ARE USING DEAD SILENCE, YOU STILL MAKE LESS NOISE THAN SOMEONE NOT USING DEAD SILENCE. THAT WAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIT REP PRO TO HEAR DEAD SILENCE USERS BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU DON'T GET TO HEAR THEM AT THE AMPLIFIED VOLUME OF NON DEAD SILENCE USERS. BOTH SIDES BENEFIT.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:41:22 GMT

You do realize that a Dead Silence person also has the ability to sound-whore, right?

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:40:11 GMT

This is true. The counter to Dead silence is that you lose the ability to see explosives or any other third perk.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:36:41 GMT

Listen, I've heard everything about this debate, and both sides bring SPECTACULAR points. You have to look at it *intensely* from both sides. People won't ever give up their position on this topic, because they hold very great points. I'm not even going to get started on this, as it has tired me out. A compromise is the only way to go from here. This is the most satisfying compromise I can come up with. BOTH SIDES WIN, but also give up some. DEAD SILENCE IS ESSENTIAL IN SEARCH AND DESTROY, AND THAT IS A FACT, IF YOU ARE PLAYING ANYONE DECENT, WHICH MOST OF TIMES I AM. Look at the name of the gamemode. It's called SEARCH and destroy, and not CAMP and destroy. HERE'S A COMPROMISE. *************MAKE SURE, FROM NOW ON, THAT YOUR REPLIES RELATE TO SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE (I.E. IMPROVING THE ABOVE ONE) AND NOT JUST TAKING SIDES, AS LIKE I ALREADY SAID IT IS USELESS AT THIS POINT. ************************ If you can't compromise, then don't reply. If you make a one-sided position reply, I will simply report you for abusing this entire discussion/post. Thanks.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:36:33 GMT

While they do have no absolute direct counters a lot of them do have counters that reduce the effectiveness of that perk, essentially being somewhat of a counter.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:31:58 GMT

Buckeye015 wrote:

but unfortunately it was the one-sided positioners like you that lead to war.

What exactly is your compromise? To make it so that it counters it in every game mode except for the one you probably exclusively play?

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:30:21 GMT

Well I don't think we would need a counter to every one. But they way Sit Rep Pro and Dead silence are set up I can see why they should completely counter each other. If someone has Dead Silence then his equipment doesn't show up to anyone with Sit Rep Pro.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:26:53 GMT

Omg, if you studied it, you'd realize that compromising got them closer than any of it (i.e. popular sovereignty), but unfortunately it was the one-sided positioners like you that lead to war. There have been plenty of times in history where compromises have been the solution. And by the way,the only solution to the issue of slavery back then, would've been compromising until both sides settled. Try again.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:25:53 GMT

actual sit rep. If you want to have a counter to one per you need to have a counter to the others too for balance. All these perks have no counter:

Bind Eye

Extreme Conditioning

Slight of Hand

Recon

Scavenger

Quick Draw

Blast Shield

Hardline

Assassin

Overkill

Marksmen Pro

Stalker

Sit Rep

Stead Aim

Dead Silence

That is every perk in the game that has no counter to it........and it is also every perk. If you want to start making one perk counter another then they all need to be that way.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:22:25 GMT

There's nothing to counter Recon either. Dead Silence reduces the effects of Recon, much like in my example where it would reduce the effectiveness of Sit Rep Pro.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:19:47 GMT

You need to calm down.

And while it doesn't fully counter it, it still gives you the benefit of more quiet footsteps. If it wasn't balanced at all then you would make just as much noise as the guy using Steady Aim. It's just like what Dead Silence does to Recon. It doesn't fully prevent it, but if you're using it, you're still at an advantage over not using it.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:19:19 GMT

What part of sit rep? The anti dead silence or the actual sit rep

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:15:47 GMT

What I mean as of right now there is no counter to what sit rep does. So if you are going to make sit rep counter dead silence then dead silence should take the sit rep ability away when close......otherwise that is what we like to call as unbalanced.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:15:45 GMT

Buckeye015 wrote:

STUDY YOUR HISTORY!

The North wanted no slavery, the South wanted it. Did we compromise? No we went into a civil war. Try again.

Re: A compromise for the dead silence-sitrep pro debate

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:13:13 GMT

Rednecksniper39 wrote:

The only problem with that is that then there would need to be something to counter sit rep.

Something called crouching. You give up mobility for stealth.