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Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:35:17 GMT

mate in RL suppressers do not remove 100% of sound only make it quieter and they are actually used because they reduce recoil by adding weight to the front of the gun and lessen the muzzle flash making it easyer to aim.

As for this game they work as intended you stay off the radar and force players to use there eyes and you get less overall damage and just to point out if someone shoots you in the back it doesn't make a difference whether they have a suppresser or not

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:56:20 GMT

Shadow3Assassin wrote:

I don't want to go all "it's not like real life" on you, but silencers do not make your gun as supressed as they are in the game. They actually still make quite a bit of noise.

You're absolutely right about that. They don't suppress the movement of the action, hammer, trigger, or the super-sonic soundwave that a bullet makes while it's traveling through the air (a.k.a. sonic boom). But they do a good job with bolt action rifles, especially when you use subsonic ammo. All you hear is the click of the hammer, and the bullet impacting the target. All that being said, I don't want to go all "it's not like real life" on you, but mini maps don't exist in the real world. It's not like you can just glance up and to the left to see where the bad guys are while you're on the battlefield. You have to use your eyes and ears to determine where the bad guys are. So why do you rely on the minimap?

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:21:07 GMT

They could make more cons to it but its not really needed.

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donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:01:54 GMT

Sillencers dont bother me, but I wouldnt care if they actually reduced the damage overall on them, instead of just at range, I use silencers on pretty much every gun because there isnt a reason not too really, if they put a 20% overall damage reduction at every range then maybe it would make it a bit more of a challenge.

I really do find MW3 very boring, maps arent good/guns kill too quick/quickscoping etc and one thing I have noticed, is that the player numbers arent that high, maybe 500k a night if they are lucky, even when content drops, the player count doesnt seem to go up that much, atleast not like when BO had double xp or map packs come out.

IMO. the entire MW series is broken beyond repair at this point, it started going down hill with MW2, they need to fix alot of things besides the surpressors.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:50:55 GMT

NO just learn to deal its them.

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donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:28:34 GMT

1. it doesn't reduce recoil it removes muzzle flash, giving a clearer view when firing.

2. it reduces the range so at mid range you need 1 more bullet, so in a fair fight you should lose it if you have a silencer.

3. red dots, holo, acog, and thermal sights also reduce the visible flash but not to the same degree as silencers.

4. every bullet travels at the same speed in cod, BF use projectiles COD uses hit scanners.

the guys at dice are giving plenty of years between games to create new engines and improve their game, they also get support from other studio's that don't FPS, the COD dev have 2 years between each game they make, however they also have improve on ideas that the other dev came up with so really they have 1 year to make it and 1 year to improve it and keep it up to date and they have to do with out external support Usually.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:09:48 GMT

MUPHinATHONG wrote:

As of now, CoD has way too many things that are too good for the type of game that CoD is...

Call of Duty is the type of game where anyone is to be able to pick up and play it. If they overcomplicate everything they will have fewer people buying it. There is a reason why COD outsells Battlefield. It is simple and easy to play.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 10:06:36 GMT

I agree with this..

I will say that in MW3, a suppressor lowers the recoil, and it makes you invisible on the map and reduces the range (slightly). Compared to having no suppressor, you have a higher recoil, slightly higher range, and you show up on the map. Is there really any comparison?

I have been playing battlefield lately, and there is a downfall for everything. In BF3, if you have a suppressor attached, the bullet speed reduces, and you have a reduced range accuracy. So if you decide to be stealthy, you lose everything at longer ranges.

I realize that BF3 is a much better development team, and they have dedicated servers, but I think that something like this needs to be implemented. As of now, CoD has way too many things that are too good for the type of game that CoD is...

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:36:06 GMT

They are far from overpowerd and if your that close that you could see a red dot on the map with a silenced weapon your already dead.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:41:37 GMT

@Hardhat94: Ridiculous, isn't it? Did you see the "/s" at the end? It's sarcasm, dude.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:25:07 GMT

Nah, I will always sign out of any game when it is no longer fun for me. I do not play for the fun of others here and never have nor ever will. As long as the option exists and can be used I will use it regardless of how it effects the game for anyone else.

Same as suppressor, I use them and will no matter what anyone says about using them and blind eye and assassin.

Until someone else pays for MY internet, MY console, MY xbox live subscription they do not really get to tell me how to play the game unless they are a developer making rules about certain things. No other player has the right.

Just as even though I said stop looking at his baby monitor for kills I know he will not because that is what he needs to play the game. If ever core should be made wiht out the monitor, but normal life, all players like him that need red dots would flock to the forums crying about how unfair it was to them.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:20:58 GMT

LOL.. Ran that made sense! OMG!

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:18:45 GMT

To be honest you will never get a answer that is balenced on the forums, all most people do is post what they want the game to be like to suit the way they play and dont want it to change. The developers have the statistics from every little part of past games and know what should be tweaked nerfed, buffed but unfortunately the franchise has become too noob freindly so we dont get balence, i have a small hope with treyarch but im not holding my breath.

Personally i dont think its balenced nor do i think its OP and people cant say its a fair trade off and im mainly talking about SMGs & ARs being able to stay off the mini map at the expense of only having to put 1 extra bullet in someone from quite a distance who they can see better because they have no muzzle flash. I have a silencer on nearly every class and no coincedence that most of the MOABs i have seen and earned myself have been with silenced weapons. I think a revamp of the mini map is needed instead of this newb friendly mini map we have now which has caused this obsession with chasing a red dot which is marked to the exact inch on the mini if you fire an unsuppressed weapon.

I Think going back to the old COD radar where it didnt show a map but a compass of where eneimies were if they fired unsupressed weapon would be a better solution because then its not as big of a deal to show up on it because they are only getting a rough location of where you are but right now its a huge deal to show up on radar when you shoot because no doubt someone will be spawning right near you and make a b line to your exact location as soon as they see that red dot.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:38:58 GMT

trialstardragon wrote:

No, they are not OP and never were. Stop being a baby monitor watcher needing red dots to know where and how to find kills.

Maybe he will stop doing that when you stop being a dashboarder and lobby cherry picker. Makybe you two can make a pact together.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:20:48 GMT

I play hardcore exclusively, and I don't think the silencers are overpowered in any way shape or form. They are OP on already OP guns... but even so even in Hardcore I get a lot more hit markers using a silencer than I do without. I think the sound dynamics on this game are not too great, but even so I can still hear when a silenced weapon is being fired in my vicinity. I don't think anything needs to change with the mini-map, but would like to see improved directional dynamics when it comes to sound on the MW games. One thing Black Ops/ WaW did well was directional sound. You heard particular noises allowing you to know where footsteps were coming from and bullet sounds to make you aware of where people were firing from. Even when my Turtle Beaches were working, I didn't feel the directional sound in this game was very strong. Its a big mess of clunky footsteps and explosions. I remember on Makin knowing when someone was approaching on a boardwalk, sloshing through a creek, or hitting the gravel on a hillside. I knew on Radiation when someone was walking on the warehouse floor, traversing the catwalks, or running through the parking lot. Not over powered in my opinion, just the dynamics need tweaking.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:49:01 GMT

why help out the red dot chasers? Let em use their ears

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:26:39 GMT

Shadow3Assassin wrote:

I think we need to get back to original question, should someone be able to stay off the radar by placing an attachment on their gun? Simply, yes or no will do.

As much as I hate campers, I also hate chronic red-dot chasers.

So yes, I think someone should be able to stay off the radar by placing an attachment on their gun.

How about this: Assassin users with a suppressed weapon will only have every other magazine not show up on the mini-map when they shoot.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:14:05 GMT

Yes. I'm with the vast majority of people who thinks that the suppressor/silencer is not overpowered.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:00:02 GMT

I think we need to get back to original question, should someone be able to stay off the radar by placing an attachment on their gun? Simply, yes or no will do.

Re: Silencers OP? Next COD

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:36:50 GMT

rankismet wrote:

egoflux wrote:

rankismet wrote:

Shadow3Assassin wrote:

Just making an argument and wanted to know what people thought. Fyi my OPINION can't be wrong that's why it's called an OPINION!

Actually... opinions are wrong all the time.

People used to be of the opinion the world was flat.
People used to be of the opinion the Sun revolved around the Earth.
50% of the US population were of the opinion Obama would make a good President.

... and you have the opinion suppressors are OP.

See the trend yet?

wrong. people were wrong to say that the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth because it was stated as FACT not OPINION.

however, you are correct in saying that 50% of the north american population were of the opinion that obama would make a good president.

Regarding the Earth/Sun example... the opinion was that the assertion was true. Galileo held a different opinion on those topics.

But the only fact is there are no facts... just a high probability of outcome.

Even time is bendable.

lol we could get into a philosophical quibble over this but for the purposes of the debate in hand the fact is that opinion and fact are quite different