Community: Message List - ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:34:47 GMT

Sorry to say wwilliams but I will have to disagree with that idea.

The list that you explained seems extremely similar to the new leaked information that was given from Charlie Intel and just have to say that the list there is just a troll idea.

Don't think I haven't seem any perks online. I've seen, observed, thought up, and analyzed perk systems and ideas from forums, blogs, and youtube videos. I've probably seen like over 50 Youtube videos about people's ideas, I have to say, most of them are well-thought, but they still make it broken, because they didn't seriously think it through on practice.

Another thing...being able to Feint your death, but can't shoot while in prone...don't you think that drop-shotting would be negated? Able to capture objectives faster...Treyarch already said that they have tried and failed, and decided that it was confusing when multiple players were on 1 objective. So they gave that idea up. If you really want to safely or quickly capture an objective, then find a good team!

In my opinion, the new perk system that was leaked is nothing but BS. All of it's effects are differnt, BUT all of them are broken or just plain stupid. Whoever created that perk list doesn't even know what they're doing. I like thier System type, allowing you to earn an extra ability if a certain perk is active, but the rest, can just be thrown away.

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2012 18:12:15 GMT

My idea for a perk is called run and gun. Its allows you to keep running while firing your gun. Of course this would mean the accuracy would be decreased to balance it out. What do you think.

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:53:13 GMT

This is awesome, but they won't have warlord since you can already attach 3 attachments anyway and they're thinking of taking steady aim out since it just increases weapon stats.

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:35:50 GMT

While I like this perk list and think its mostly balanced, there are some things about it that I disagree with. For one, the more perks you can choose from, the more perks that are likely to be overused or neglected. In this case, it looks like Recon, Exceed, Respirator, and Telecom risk being neglected.

Why reveal the position of airstrikes, which are only used occasionally, when I can reveal claymores, which are used more often, more irritating, and are harder to avoid (without the perk)?

To fix this, maybe some perks could be combined, such as Recon with Ignition, Respirator with Flak Jacket, and Telecom with Sabetour?

I also think there shouldn't be perks that directly increase a weapons capabilities, like Steady Aim or Hardened. That's what attachments are for. (Grip/Laser Pointer = Steady Aim, FMJ = Hardened)

Your perk list has alot of old perks with rearranged effects and not too many new effects. To keep CoD from getting stale, you need a handful of new effects. Here are some ideas.

Lightweight Pro - Health regeneration is unaffected by movement (Health regenerates at same rate while moving as standing still.)

Scavenger Pro - Picked up weapons are loaded with a full clip (so you dont have to reload as soon as you pick one up)

Phantom Pro or Ninja Pro - Hit markers do not appear for enemies shooting you (they will still hear the distinct sound made when you are shot)

Hardline Pro - Completion of ANY objective counts as two points toward your pointstreak.

Body Count - Kills gotten with pointstreaks chain toward your next pointstreak. (Replaces Hardline, assuming pointstreaks don't chain already.)

Body Count Pro I and II are same as Hardline Pro I and II in your list.

Bladesman - Quicker melee recovery. (Replaces Steady Aim)

Bladesman Pro I and II are same as Steady Aim Pro I and II in your list.

Ignition Pro - Throw grenades further (straighter/at less of an ark) and direct impacts deal more damage. (Enough so that a direct hit with a Flashbang followed by the flash will kill someone at full health. Keep in mind that hitting someone with a flashbang is harder than using a Throwing Knife. This perk also makes Throwing Knives easier to use.)

Sabetour Pro - Disable enemy Airdrop Traps and steal from enemy Duffel Bags (Such as Ballistic Vests. Replaces booby trapping crates. You don't get the Airdrop Traps' contents since it contained explosives anyway, but you are rewarded with a point toward your pointstreak and your allies won't fall for it later.)

Brotherhood - Reveal allies that have taken damage (They appear as "HELP" rather than "REVIVE" on screen. Great for hardcore modes since this has same purpose as death markers but useless in FFA unfortunately)

Brotherhood Pro I - Heal wounded allies (works same way as reviving fallen teammates, although you cannot actually revive fallen teammates with this - just heal them. Also, the same ally cannot be healed more than once within 5 seconds)

Brotherhood Pro II - Relay the positions of enemies that kill you to your allies (similar to the Revenge deathstreak, but their position is only shown once and for a very brief moment. Only your allies can take advantage of this - not the player using this perk.)

Finally, what if Hacker was an equipment rather than a perk? It would be unlocked at a medium-high rank and only be able to hack maybe 2 devices per spawn? I always thought Hacker was a cool perk but it felt more like an extra ability rather than a simple perk. If so it should also have a counter, such as...

Firewall - Your equipment and pointstreaks are immune to EMP's and cannot be hacked.

Firewall Pro I - Your air support cannot be locked onto by anti-air turrets. (such as SAM Turrets, but can still be locked onto manually with launchers)

Firewall Pro II - Immune to CUAV, EMP, and Jammers.

By no means does any of these suggestions have to be included in your list - these are just ideas.

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:31:38 GMT

I came up with a cool new PERK !

It's awesome !

Here goes:

TERRIAN TACTICAN / TERRIAN EXPERT:

Take less damage when getting shot through objects.

(You'll be able to take advantage of otherwise weak shelter such as plywood, etc...)

PRO:

Go into crouch and phrone faster, as well as rise back up faster.

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 29 May 2012 15:37:09 GMT

Hardline perk minimum matching in the second pack of perks?

I don't geddit

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 01 May 2012 20:55:27 GMT

I think Black Ops nearly had it perfect, but how about:

Perk Slot 1: Hardline, Ghost, Blind eye, Scavenger, Lightweight, Flak Jacket

Perk Slot 2: Sleight of hand, Quick draw, Steady Aim, Hardened, Warlord, Scout

Perk Slot 3: Tactical Mask, Hacker, Ninja, Marathon, Recon, Marksman

Flak Jacket - Remove fire protection, add it to tactical mask like you suggested

Ghost - Immune to spy plane. Pro - No red name or crosshair when targeted.
Blind eye - Immune from AI controlled aerial kill streaks. Pro - Decrease enemy sentry range

Quick Draw - Does not work with sniper rifles

Hardened - Stay the same, but reduce bullet penetration when not using hardened

Hacker - Sentries now deactivated with progress bar like hacker, using hacker hacks them instead

This would do for now... Maybe a massive black ops patch Treyarch? xD

But in the next cod get rid of perks that alter weapons characteristics, weapons are meant to be balanced, and have pros and cons. Perks make the cons pros which lead to overpowered weapons.

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 18 May 2012 00:06:03 GMT

hardline perk minimum matching in the second pack of perks

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 18 May 2012 00:05:20 GMT

hardline perk minimum matching in the second pack of perks

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 01 May 2012 15:26:06 GMT

I don't really think it needs tinkering (maybe Scavenger), because players using Scavenger have a chance to replenish what they want, and it won't be annoying like in MW2. The reasons are, because this perk system has too many protections against equipment, so even if you camp, people would know where you are (except MW2, where you were able to combine Scavenger and Cold-Blooded and resupply everytime and the only counter was SitRep). Besides, they can ONLY earn the equipment IF and ONLY IF the fallen enemy had an equipment still in their inventory, but when do you see that? Rarely, because everyone uses their equipment. Same with grenades. To help prevent constant nade spams, you can only resupply them depending if the fallen enemy had Lethals or Tacticals left in their inventory. This also applies to the noobtubes, where the fallen enemy has to have any underslung attachment equipped when they died to replenish them.

Lightweight, Sleight of Hand, and Marathon combo isn't OP at all. If you think of Black Ops, you had that combo and it wasn't bad at all. Remember, don't look at the perks as if you will earn both pro versions, because you cannot. You can only choose 1 of these Pro abilties, so it's practically still having 1 base ability and 1 pro ability, except you have a choice for your pro.

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 01 May 2012 15:40:02 GMT

Okay sounds good.

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 01 May 2012 13:19:15 GMT

Teh reason why there are 3 perks is because that's how Call of Duty does it.

The only reason why WaW had 4 Tiers was because they added battlefield vehicles on the map.

What do you mean by it's not Ideal?

I created and organized the system myself (with community help)...I just used the Perk System 2.0 information from the 1st multiplayer leak (don't care if it's true or not)

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 01 May 2012 14:28:59 GMT

Well, take the point of view from actually playing in the game. Imagine a player who equips Scavenger, Exceed, And Respirator all at Pro 2 level, then you have a player who's gonna just camp in a room laying claymores down and replenishing them with every idiot who tries to revenge kill 'em. Remember MW2 and its annoyances like this.

Also, a annoying player equipping Scavenger and Warlord Pro 2 versions can just noob tube the hell out everyone he encounters, again, just like in MW2.

Lightweight, Sleight Of Hand, With Marathon is over powering. Anyone who equips this would have no weakness in a one on one confrontation. Don't know, but maybe it should be tweak a little more, however, it needs balancing still. What do you think?

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 01 May 2012 11:15:12 GMT

Why there are always only 3 tiers of perks???

and. this is not ideal

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 01 May 2012 05:51:07 GMT

Perk System has been updated. Check it out!

⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0 ~ FINAL

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 06 Apr 2012 14:38:58 GMT

Copyright
All rights to this Ideal Perk System goes to ZaTaisho!
- I appreciate and credit those who have helped, fixed, and analyzed the Perk System to become one of the most balanced fan-made Perk Systems up-to-date.

Creator's Links:
ZaTaishou - Youtube
ZaTaisho - Twitter

Knowing the System:

Each perk has 2 Pro abilities, instead of 1.
- Each Pro ability has their own separate challenges to unlock.
- Players can only choose 1 of these 2 abilities.
- Players cannot obtain both Pro abilities, unless using the Specialist Package.
The first 2 perks in each Tier are available at Level 4 with Create-A-Class.
Proficiencies are not affiliated with the Perks in this System.
The Item Package is another version of the Care Package, granting items such as Body Armor, Death Machine, Grim Reaper, and Perks (not sure).
The Specialist Package:
- You can only obtain Pro abilities when unlocked and selected.
- You can only obtain all Pro abilities when unlocked.
  - 2 points = 1 additional perk
  - 4 points = 2 additional perks
  - 6 points = 3 additional perks
  - 8 points = 4 additional perks + all Pro abilities

= Ideal Perk System 3.0 =

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:04:28 GMT

Ok...*Sigh*

- The ability to "fake death" is just a disgrace of an ability. Here's a video you can watch, instead of me explaining, because this video does just about everything I want to say about the new perks.

Youtube - The New Perks?

- I do agree that Ninja Pro+ needs to be changed, because I actually just found out that in Hardcore modes, you don't have a death icon in the first place, so it renders this ability useless. However, you shouldn't make abilities that allows you to hear others easier by removing friendly sounds when the perk you are trying to help is an ability for silencing yourself, not sounds. Keep thinking...

- You say that moving at 100% of the prone's normal speed and being able to fight back is OP, but you say that dropshotting isn't...there is something wrong with this theory, you do know that right?

- Scout Pro+ will only mark the locations of units (e.g. dogs), airstrikes, and artillery. This will not help you find UAVs, and it won't find choppers because you can already see them without this perk.

- I'll do killstreaks a little later...

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:03:47 GMT

Your Perk System is getting so SOLID!

However...

I would still change ninja pro + though, how does no death icon from enemies benefit the player? i can honestly say that i NEVER pay attention to the death icon and i seriously doubt that anyone else does. On top of that, just because his death icon is showing in some area it wont guaruntee that i will know where the enemy is or what direction they shot/ killed my teammate from.

Faking death would not negate drop shotting, You would simply go prone then either press a combination of buttons together and hold them, or maybe even just hold down L3? If faking death is not something you would like i would strongly suggest that you change the Pro + version to allow the player to silence friendly footsteps from the team... its A PAIN IN THE ASS to convince an entire team to use Ninja/ Dead Silence. If you use a headset, this perk is easlily one of the most powerful, as it allows you to hear almost exactly where people are, but when most of your team ISNT using it, then their footsteps can seriously throw you off. Veteran Ninja/ Dead silence users know exactly what im talking about.

I would also change Prowler Pro + and just make dropshots faster. But If you can shoot and move while Prone at 100% movement, than I can see this Pro perk being very NASTY on the battlefield. Other than that this perk system is ******* amazing, the BEST on the internet, and im going to go so far as to delcare these Official. Treyarch needs to pull their heads out of their asses and pay attention to your list bro. Its very solid.

I also had a question about Scout Pro +, does this mean you will be able to see EVERYTHING on your minimap? Dogs, UAVs CUAVs AUAVs rc helicopters, etc? Will UAVS and such show up glowing red in the sky just like if you were to use Sabeteur?? If this is true than awesome sauce.

I totally agree with you about the capturing objectives thing, because the developers did mention that. HIT ME BACK! What are your killstreak ideas??

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:17:18 GMT

I actually thought of that one, however, there is a reason why I didn't implement that effect in.

The reason why is "Hardcore". In Hardcore, there is no Killcam, so the perk would become useless, thus not really needing it in the game.

Besides, not everyone uses their Killcam. Most players usually skips it to get right into the fight, so that's also another reason why we don't need it.

My quote: "If you're going to create a perk system, then you must always think about all gamemodes, not just Core, because everyone seems to forget about that."

Re: ⌈Black Ops 2⌋ Ideal Perk System 3.0

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:14:23 GMT

re black ops2 perk system

I thouht of one more which i dont think would be highly used but very handy dont know what you could call it either but it would disable the killcam ideal for snipers so you dont give away your position love the list by the way.