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Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:40:52 GMT

Update: just played a few games, no lag, mostly local lobbys, fluid movement, 3 bar connections & raised my kd, really enjoyable games. Just wish I wasnt so beat as could play for ages like this!!! Just gotta hope it stays like this. its been like this for 3 nights now so I guess having a strict nat is good. BTW theatre is off as well.

If this carries on gonna have to change my name to Exlagsufferer!!

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:38:36 GMT

Hey JT 235, Im using the first white BT hub at this home (its old but I get the best connection) im wireless and when mw3 came out I set up a static ip for ps3 and set it up for mw3 and opened the ports below. And i have disabled the routers firewall.

However I could not get an open nat with just these, so I tried inseting mw2 and that gave me open nat.

But since my power outage it reverted to strict. On the ps3 settings upnp is available, mtu is automatic, primary dns is the same as my default router 192.168.1.254 subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 secondary dns is 0.0.0.0 mac address is 00:24:8D:06:3B:34 proxy server is set at do not use and nat type is showing type 2 (even though on mw3 it shows strict.) and my media server connection is disabled

Don't know how but gameplay is still smooth and no lag again today.

Thats all the info I can get from my router and ps3

Please excuse my dumbnes but my brain is fried today as have flown to Germany and back and had major meetings all day.

I would be really interested in knowing your opinion of this set up and what you can figure out, so please post back up here your findings

tcp 80-81

udp 80-81

tcp 443 -443

udp 443 -443

tcp 3478 - 3479

udp 3478 - 3479

tcp 3074 - 3075

udp 3074 - 3075

tcp 3658 - 3658

udp 3658 - 3658

tcp 5223 - 5223

udp 5223 - 5223

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:02:58 GMT

K1ller_911 wrote:

The question i have is now that ive done the MW2 disk thing to set my NAT to open how do i set it back to strict? When i play online i use an ethernet straight out of my modem no router into my ps3 and theres no way for me to get into my modem, my isp wont let me or give me access to it. I do have a router an apple airport extreme router but i have no clue how to do any settings that would affect my NAT on that if i chose to use it.

Get a router and put it between your PS3 and your modem.

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:36:17 GMT

You know I just thought to myself and had a little chuckle! What IF you are blocking a port that allow passthrough to test your connection? LOL or even the port that transfers data for IW that may include region? And that is why you are getting in to local rooms?

I am sorry but to me that would be Fn hilarious! That would just prove that IW has NO clue on how to use the data they are getting from the users PS3!

Can you determine what ports are open to your PS3? If you are using UPnP there should be a log file stating what is being allowed to go through.

If you are using port forward I would love to see what rule set you have.

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:25:20 GMT

Try what I did, (not gonna type it all again as its above) btw am I going mad or did you just change your last post lol ;-)

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:11:19 GMT

Sorry to hear that, but Its working for me NOW (I wonder how long it will last for though)

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:05:10 GMT

Hhhhhmmmmm how the hell do i go STRICT.. any idea's ?

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:09:34 GMT

Again great info JT235 but just tested mine again and its strict nat, straight into a 50 ping lobby, 3 bars, no lag, fluid movement and great hit detection. So I am going to stay with strict nat as it works for me, if my mike doesnt work no biggy as most of the time im with randoms and all they do is speak crap or play music and I can live without that function not working.

Thanks for the link I will save that and digest it tomorrow as gotta fly to Germany at 6am and I need my beauty sleep. (just looked at your link, couldnt help myself, lol but it shows a message only for registered users)

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:38:46 GMT

turning Upnp off used to give me a Moderate NAT type which stopped me from hosting.. my problem was because my ping is quick in 10ms i still suffered from lag compensation... my bandwidth is 38/8 so thats also great.. but for MW3 it sucked.. i havent played MW3 for a while now because of the above... dont know how i would get a strict NAT or what advantage it would give me due to my fast ping..

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:00:47 GMT

I don't believe that ping has anything to do with lag as your ping is dependant on where the other players in your lobby are located geographicaly, as ping is the time it takes for one packet of data to travel to and from a set location (server) if they are all located within say 50 miles form you your ping will be low, if they are located the other side of the world it will be high. when you do a test with speed test.net try choosing a server in another continent and see what your ping is then.

As I said in another post just played again with strict nat, no lag, fluid movement and great hit detection. So its working for me and by the way its only showing I have 3 bars!!

Good luck

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:48:35 GMT

Just played a game and good gameplay no lag and accurate shooting (enemy dies when hit not just hit marker after hit marker) so strict nat is working for me.

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:45:55 GMT

Open means that your PS3 has a public IP address with all ports open.

Moderate means all ports that are needed are open but you are behind a firewall which is giving you a private IP address.

Strict means that there is a needed port for a function is being blocked.

IF you have a router/firewall and you have the PS3 setup correctly in the DMZ you could have either Open or Moderate. Depends on the router and firmware to get Open. Also depends on the game. MW game me open with the exact same setup now but MW3 gives me moderate.

IF you have your PS3 direct connected to your modem you should have open.

IF you are using UPnP make sure that your firmware is the latest and greatest. Some older versions do not work well with the PS3.

IF you are using Port forwarding make sure you have all the ports. What I listed is OLD!!! I don't know if there have been any changes in the past few years. Here is the link to the full tutorial, again quite a few years old. I no longer have a LinkSys but Tomato is still very good.

www.clanbluntforce.com/cBF_Forum/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=24&sid =3ae739c117c07c4ea39b43d0defa5179

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:31:25 GMT

Just fired up the ps3 and loaded mw3 and yeah its still strict.

let us know if it works for you.

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:27:26 GMT

Did you try powering down the router, when your ps3 is on and mw3 is loaded in multiplayer, as that is how I believe mine happened, as when I reloded it was strict. Good luck

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:16:30 GMT

Im pretty sure he's saying NAT type will not effect gameplay,bandwidth or latency in any way. But id still like to try it for my self i just dont know how to get it back to moderate or strict. Im pretty sure it was set to moderate when i first bought the game.

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:08:50 GMT

K1ller_911 you can try shutting the power off to your router (as that is how mine went to strict) and then just not insert mw2 disc again.

Good luck and I hope it works for you

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:05:08 GMT

Thanks JT235 you obviously understand these issues better than most, and great tutorial but am I missing something or am I just having one of those dense senior moments!! lol.

Are you saying to open the ports as I thought that gave you "OPEN NAT" which is what I had as I had done all of what you said and I still suffered major lag. Now I have strict nat and much better game play, as due to the power outage my router reset and is using a different port or ports etc on the router. Again sorry to seem dense but its all sooo confusing.

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:59:06 GMT

just a small isp im sure youve never heard of GWI yea they wont let me in they think im gonna screw something up ive already asked over the phone how to access it and they wont give me the information. I guess im stuck always being open NAT, i really like to try any new suggestions even though none of them have worked so far. If i wanted to call my isp and ask them to change a setting in my modem for me what would i need them to change? what should i ask for? theyd probably think this guy is whacked lol

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:54:22 GMT

Who is your ISP? If you can't access your router I don't think there is anyway you will be able to change it.

Re: Possibly a way to help Lag!

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:45:06 GMT

This is in support of TraderEarl because he is correct with his comments.

Opening/Closing ports does not change the latency or bandwitdth available to your PS3. What it does is allows functions, such as the mic, which requires a specific port to be open in order for THAT traffic to be allowed.

This is from a tutorial that I wrote a while back.

There is no guarantee that these will not change or that you may need to add more in the future. Just to show you that changes are made those were the ports listed on the Playstation website. Here are the current listings.

SCEA Game Servers
All games published by SCEA (first-party) may use the following ports for communication with SCEA (first-party) game servers:
TCP Ports: 80, 443, 5223, and 10070 - 10080
UDP Ports: 3478, 3479, 3658, 10070, and 50100

PlayStation®Network
TCP Ports: 80, 443, 5223
UDP Ports: 3478, 3479, 3658

PLAYSTATION®3 Remote Play
If the router in use supports UPnP, enable the router’s UPnP function.
If the router does not support UPnP, you must set the router’s port forwarding to allow communications to the PLAYSTATION 3 from the Internet.
The port number that is used by remote play is TCP Port: 9293

USB or Bluetooth Headsets
TCP Port: 80
UDP Ports: 6000 - 7000, 50000, 10070

Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain
TCP Port: 3658 --- If I am not mistaken that is for Demonware servers, same as COD4.

PlayOnline and Final Fantasy XI
TCP Ports: 25, 80, 110, 443, and 50000 - 65535
UDP Ports: 50000 - 65535

Other Games
If you need port numbers for games published by third-party companies, contact the publisher of the software title directly. See Game Support Contacts for contact information.

So while you can still connect to the servers or other functions, the strict might simply mean the port for mic access isn't open. Only one port blocked will give you a strict NAT.