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Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:23:17 GMT

I've always had mixed feelings about triple capping. Most people want the enemy to have one (and only one) flag simply so that they can spawn trap. This is wrong, as I see it as just taking advantage of an inherant flaw in the Domination game type. There's not much that can be done to fix it, otherwise it wouldn't be Domination anymore. It just comes with the game type. Still, if you are gamer that cares about gaming ethics, your goal shouldn't be spawn trapping as a result of taking advantage of a flaw.

However, if my team has 2 flags and a decent sized lead, and I'm near the 1 enemy flag, I will run past it, and let them keep it. Main reason? less rage quits, and by extension less chance of a host migration, or even a host migration failure. I've been on teams where the score is 160-20 and there absolutely no incentive to stay in the game, unless you literally only care about kills. I do care about winning, but I like to leave the enemy chance with a fighting chance, a hope that keeps them from rage quitting. When you only need 2 flags to win, and you have a big lead, do you really need the third?

I guess both are ethical points. Do you try to spawn trap? Or do you just try to beat them so hard that they don't want to play? Idk, it's a grey area. But if the score is close, i'm all for triple capping.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:11:41 GMT

Exactly this.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 03:44:27 GMT

I'd rather win 200-100 75% of my domination games.

Hold 2, let them have 1 = 200 to 100 = Win.

Triple capping is only possible on a few maps without it making your WL suffer. The easiest map to hold a triple cap the entire game is Village. I've won 200-9 before on that map.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 03:19:00 GMT

It causes enemies to spawn everywhere. Not only allowing them to simply take one of the other flags, but also killing us from behind. Usually making the triple cap pointless anyways. If you think you will win the game faster, then go for it. But I prefer keeping two flags just so I know where the enemy will always be coming from. Plus it makes the game last just a bit longer so I can get more XP in the end.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 03:15:08 GMT

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:33:55 GMT

Spawns in domination are broken in this game anyway so it doesn't matter if you triple or double cap - they still spawn on your flags and in your spawn. For other games I get annoyed when people triple cap - sure the points move faster but the spawns get messed up and you have people spawning behind you and everywhere on the map - its easier to protect to flags when they have their spawn point then protecting 3 flags and them spawning everywhere.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:08:05 GMT

space_junk wrote:

The thing is if you die constantly capping, you're going to give the other team killstreaks.

Not possible with me. I'm smart, so I use a Stinger .

~RUGGED SAVIOR

http://www.youtube.com/ruggedsavior

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:57:10 GMT

The thing is if you die constantly capping, you're going to give the other team killstreaks. I've been on a team where everyone defended each of the two flags and for some reason one random started capped the last flag. Right after he capped it, an Osprey came and tore us up leaving most of the flags capturable. I think triple capping like the guys before said is great only if your team is nice on their reactions, smart and lastly if you're losing by 20 pts or more.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 03 Mar 2012 00:18:17 GMT

When Im playing objective games I go for the objective 100% of the time. I dont care about my KDR and I dont care about building killstreaks or kill farming. I run flags, capture flags, plant bombs and defuse bombs. In Domination I want all three flags because its the best way to increase your score margin against the other team.

I believe that anyone who sits and defends flags are cowards. Its basically the easiest way to win a match and in my opinion if you're taking the easiest route to victory then you're a coward. Show some balls and show some worth and capture all the flags. Let the spawns flip and show that your map awareness is greater than others.

Only once you have obtained ALL flags is it okay to defend them, if the enemy team is still gaining points off of a flag, you need to put a stop to that.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:54:09 GMT

Again, notice the confused troll face. I ask, yet knowing full well what happens if I do Triple Cap. I just do it anyway .

~RUGGED SAVIOR

http://www.youtube.com/ruggedsavior

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:19:10 GMT

i hate triple capping flags in dom just because it throws the enermy spawns all over the map usually right behind me

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:13:59 GMT

My take on triple capping is this

1: If the other team really really sucks then fine triple cap.

2: If you need to come from behind to win triple cap ok

3: If the maps are easy to control all 3 points ala Seatown triple cap is ok

4: Unless aboslutley needed never ever triple cap Hardat or Village both those maps become a mess if you start spawn flipping and can turn an easy win into a loss very very quick. .

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:53:24 GMT

Most times when my team triple caps, they wind up losing all three flags shortly afterwards.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 20:57:33 GMT

WHy would you want 3 objectives? You spread yourself too thin. That means you need 2 people on each flag, whereas if you have 2 flags you can have 3 people on each flag. 2 flags means you can concentrate your attention on the last flag's direction, and not get shot from behind,

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:38:57 GMT

triple capping on some maps is just asking for trouble because of how bad the spawns are on one side of the map. Specifically on mission on village, you just want C and B and for them to keep A. You taking A just increases the chances of them spawning at C, and they might not have someone on their team that is like "lol lets triple cap, it'll be funny" and then your team ends up stuck at the sucky A spawn

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:32:22 GMT

In Domination, your primary spawn location is determined by your flag possession. However, this can change if the enemy pushes into the spawn or caps the last flag. If either of those happens, the spawns can and will flip, spawning the enemy at your flag, and giving them a chance to turn the tide.

So if I have flags A and B, and the enemy has C flag, in most cases they will spawn at C Flag. However, if we push into their flag zone, or cap the C Flag, they will then begin spawning near the A flag.

This is why it's bad to triple cap unless necessary. A triple cap when it isn't needed, simply puts the match at risk for your team because you can end up spawn trapped very easily.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:38:44 GMT

Some people have a spawn preferance. Some spawn are better than others. If C is the better spawn, and we have B and C, why go and mess with than. Triple caps are more a team tactic any way. It has a tendency to back fire with randoms.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 13:27:42 GMT

When i was playing on the new maps, we trip. capped all the time. As for getting shot in the back.. that just depends if your able to manage all possible directions of possible firefights.

i find it more of a challenge that way. Control everything, and see where they'll come from next instead of it being predictable.

I usually find it (based on black ops) they would control A & B or B & C and heavily defend their main Objective where they first respawned at. B is controlled so they have a way to get easy kills... "I'm guessing its because they want to get easy experience by getting easy kills the only way they know how to.."

If that's the situation, I love pushing through and turning the tide and messing with the order of things.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:38:15 GMT

Controlling the enemy spawn is a good strategy. When you triple cap you get shot in the back.

Re: Making people angry because I....Triple Cap??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:15 GMT

Depends who you're up against and also the map.

Mission is possibly the worst map to triple cap on. It's smarter holding both C & B as allowing the team to capture C when you're capping A can turn the game around. It's happened to me on a couple of situations against good teams.

With the rest of the other maps, I'm always keen to triple cap but I'm cautious capturing the third flag. I can't trust IW's spawn system.