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Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:58:50 GMT

striker and aa12 might be noob weapons but the spas, 1887, and ksg are by far the hardest weapons to use in the game. assault rifles and smgs are far more effective in any situation than the pumps. The pumps are actually underpowered right now compared to all the other primaries in mw3. After the patch the spas is only 30-14 damage. the 1887 is still 30-20, they did nothing to it. smgs outclass pumps in every way.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:31:47 GMT

I picked up someones akimbo magnums on outpost and I loved them but i'm not great with them however when i'm stressed from lag or fancy a laugh I break them out the sound they make when you fire them are worth any number of deaths.

Every time I fire a round various Dirty Harry quotes flash through my head I know his gun was a .357 but i'm telling ya yelling make my day!!! while killing people with these things really shifts the blues and makes this game worth the price of entry

FMGs I dont like I used them and was like meh... great if you need to clear out some campers but there's a couple of guns that do the same

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:19:47 GMT

As long as it's not FMG's I think the akimbo's are fine. They kill in the same amount of time as my rapid fire UMP and that gun is fine.... they both have about the same effective range too lol Dual Magnums FTW tho, they're sooo much fun.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:11:57 GMT

I think all akimbo users are scum and should be roasted alive over an open flame while having every shot they have fired inserted in various openings that the body has.....

Just kidding they are my not so secret shame I just can't give them up even hand guns are cool once you've got 2 in your hands are they cheap? maybe but does it feel good when you drop an FMG user with your skorps hell yeah also managing to put down a couple of people without reloading the skorps will always bring a smile to my face.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:33:22 GMT

I used to use assalt rifless all the time, then I started watching Xcal on BO, rip up the enemy with his duel weld skorpions and duel weld hs10. found myself trying to play that way as an assalt rifle player, and yes. I failed!!

So after more Xcal vids I learned that its all about the flanking game play (stick with me my point is coming, I promise). So flanking was what I started to do, and whhhhhheyyyyy!!!!

I started playing much better, the point is this, when you play with the striker propperly you are proberly very good at flanking the enemy therefore its seems that when you come accross a Shotgun user its not the guns OP, its more the fact that the guy/gal is just better at creeping.

p.s I cant use assalt rifles anymore cos I cant play from range anymore DOH!, And my most used gun is the striker 4000 kills I think.

p.s.s hope my point has been made.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:01:34 GMT

It's alright man no worries I understand . And yeah I agree, sometimes the range they let you OHK people from, god some of those fluky ones I think might be a tad far as well. Lmao I know right, I don't know what it is about this one but I can't seem to hit anything with my knife... I almost feel more capable of getting semtex sticks than knife kills haha. But as long as you don't get hit in the back the drop shotting will help you avoid those panic knives or the people that are really good at it that's why I love doing it so much haha . And nice LMG clip, I looove getting those amazing moments where people are foolish enough to filter through a door at you haha. I wish we could have the MW2 AUG-bar back tho, with a grip on it's a gun you would appreciate

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:50:04 GMT

Oh god bless tac set up I am completly a noob with the knife 9/10 i'll miss and get hit from behind lol

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:46:57 GMT

sorry dude I didn't see your response before I posted the video to be honest i've always though as myself as average but I have to conceed the point if what your saying is true it was never my intention to flame anyone or troll I just found them no problem to handle and I assumed it would be the same for everyone apart from spray and prayers although you do know what they say about assuming lol I still think the range can be a tad far butpeopel should use what they like.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:44:26 GMT

monkeylord wrote:

You know dude i'm gonna sound like a dumb a*s but I thought drop shot was something else like something to do with lag After the way people get so p*ssed by it wow i'm a little stunned that causes so much anger
I find the play style a bit restrictive as I can't run out as much and grab thoese tags although I have learnt a few quicker routes because of it.

Lol nah, I've been playing COD for along long time and I didn't learn what it was until BLOPS haha. You should put your controller on tactical and start giving it a try tho I think you'll like it, it's a big big help, especially with the LMG's I love it if I get stuck moving position to position

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:42:36 GMT

Even though it's a different weapon a lot of people deride the lmg saying it's pretty much unusable

And this is not a 1 off every round I run this I do very well and yet a lot of people think it's useless now the weapon is easy to use if used right it's not the weapon thats hard it's the playstyle you have to adopt.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:42:23 GMT

Completely agree with the RSASS stuff, it's the same as the M21EBR in MW2, even the .50cal I feel the same about in this COD. That's why I use the L118 or the MSR, rushing with those guns, those kills feel legit . Something you have to understand tho Monkey, is that you're not among the average player, for people who're pretty good at the game, that sort of adaptive playstyle comes very naturally and a lot of the time most of us won't realize just what we're putting into a game because we play that way all the time. But for the average player, using a shotgun and doing as well as they other wise would is a pretty tall order (obviously striker aside.) It's like taking away someones MP7 or ACR and handing them an L118 sniper and saying here go play. They can't quickscope, and they just won't do as well.

I hope if I've given off the impression in any of my responses that I think you're a bad player or something like that, that you will understand that's not what I meant. You are a good player, better than the average guy who picks up COD as are most people here on the forums, and that's why it doesn't seem that hard for you to do that well with a shotgun. But this isn't about the lesser percentage of players that are good, it's about the majority, and the majority are pretty freaking average or worse, and for them, doing as well as they normaly would with a shotgun, that just ain't guna happen until they get better.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:26:42 GMT

My kd is almost 4 with sniper which I move a lot with as 90% of the time nail most kills confirmed and denied except on village where I more hold back.

I'm proving my ease of use with shotguns going for the whole 1000 kills with spas after the first 2 rounds my average kd is between 1.5-2 and i'm still in the top 3 of the board it only dips when I switch out for taking down copters which there was a lot of last night.

To be honest dude for me some of the kills feel cheap just like when I no-scope some trash talker a couple of times on the trot with RSASS which is around the 3.8 kd ratio and that feels cheap so I don't use the no-scope often also i'll dump the RSASS once it's gold.

If you find the shotgun difficult I really don't know what to say and it's kind've just going in circles I took on the gun and I am proving that it can just be picked up and used easily enough.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:17:18 GMT

monkeylord wrote:

Well I strated the whole get a 1000 kills with a spas12 after the first 2 rounds i am now going positive everytime I break it out the best so far 22/12 and that was a laggy round on bootleg.
The reason it doesn't take skill to get a kill with it is because it is the only set of guns i've played with that doesn't require you to have the crosshair centred i'm not talking about theater but in game while i'm using it and while host i'm talkin aimed so the tip of the right or left line of the cross hair is touching the targets hip will still 8/10 get a 1 hit kill hell even the FMG brigade get knocked down add to that the extra speed you seem to have even just swinging the gun (but that could just be me I use lmg a bit) but it just feels the fastest i've traveld but again that could be subjective.
The only people I can see having problems going positive are the spray and pray lot which is up there somewhere in the sea of words
I have no problem agreeing the play style takes a lot to pin down (again as stated ad nauseam) but i'm still going positive.
My mode is kill confirmed and 99% of the shotie users blow they run in get a kill or 2 and boom dead forcing me to sooner or later switch to stinger to take down some kill streak thats up on top of trying to nab the tags they've left lying around making me do the work of 2 sometimes 3 people but because they hit 16 odd kills they whoop it up like they won the round.
But anyway it's a moot point I took on the whole 1000 kills and i'll honour it I want all the guns gold anyway but quite a few of the kills feel cheap and the play style you have to engage isn't my thing i'm a heavy support player I love tagging people with recon pro/chopper i've also got using the radar to cut the map in half around my team and sheparding the enemy to where I need them without the enemy knowing down to an art I don't sit on it but a lot of people would consider that unskilled do I care? nope do I yell troll nope (I know you didn't) I understand that some people just plain consider the mini-map and putting dots onit to be unskilled each to their own.
In the words of papa Burgundy "agree to disagree"

I don't know what you're talking about, the shotguns have more time to fire between shots and get a ridiculous amount of hit markers, if I don't centre every single shot 99% of the time it means I die. It's not like any other gun where if you have to turn quickly on someone you can hipfire on your way and while you're there hitting them with a couple bullets getting your dmg in and saving your ass knocking their aimer off. In that situation I get ONE chance with the model 1887, if I miss i'm dead, same story running and gunning. That's why you have to do everything just that much better. Plan every engagement with a route for when you're done, make sure you don't get into many gunfights without cover right there for your weapon cocking and re-chambering to fire again. There is so much more work that goes into doing really well with a shot gun. Any one can pick them up and get some kills, same with any weapon in the game, but to do as well as you would with an smg or AR requires you to put a lot more thought into it as well as to just be a better player with things like dropshotting finding unique cover, finding ways to trick other players, not even finding ways to get to people but often times getting them to come to you when you can't get to them safely.

You say it yourself, it requires the player to adapt, that in and of it's self says that the weapon is more difficult to use. There aren't many weapons in the game that do require a player to completely change how they play, and there aren't any other weapons that require as much input, thought, and skill with things like 'shot gun' quick scoping to do as well as you would with another weapon. Even right down to in a gunfight even tho I run steady aim ADS'ing with my model so that I get a worse and wider spread pattern on purpose, there are times when that's just better.

And just an FYI, the reason no one else is responding to you is because you don't F*cking listen at all, you might read what people are saying but you're not really taking it in and writing a thought out response based on what they said. You're just thinking about what you're going to write next which also happens to be almost exactly the same thing over and over again. Using the shotguns to their full potential and a players full potential just takes more skill than 90% of the weapons in here, logically you can't argue this, they have more limitations than any other weapon. It's like saying rushing with a sniper and doing well doesn't take skill.... I DO rush with my MSR and L118 and that **** takes skill to pull of well, i'm still learning that stuff since I hadn't quickscoped before this COD, but I'm getting pretty good at that stuff too, and using a sniper rushing is only a bit harder than using my model and doing as well as I would with an automatic weapon.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:11:34 GMT

You know dude i'm gonna sound like a dumb a*s but I thought drop shot was something else like something to do with lag After the way people get so p*ssed by it wow i'm a little stunned that causes so much anger

I find the play style a bit restrictive as I can't run out as much and grab thoese tags although I have learnt a few quicker routes because of it.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:04:13 GMT

Just one of the reasons they're harder to use, you have to plan your routes to always have cover right near you after every single shot so you can duck and re-fire at your/the guns pace. Also if you're not drop shotting I would reccomend that. Take your first shot standing when you can and then drop as soon as the reload starts, it'll save your bacon quite a lot, especially if you're fighting moving up an incline.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:25:49 GMT

Well I strated the whole get a 1000 kills with a spas12 after the first 2 rounds i am now going positive everytime I break it out the best so far 22/12 and that was a laggy round on bootleg.

The reason it doesn't take skill to get a kill with it is because it is the only set of guns i've played with that doesn't require you to have the crosshair centred i'm not talking about theater but in game while i'm using it and while host i'm talkin aimed so the tip of the right or left line of the cross hair is touching the targets hip will still 8/10 get a 1 hit kill hell even the FMG brigade get knocked down add to that the extra speed you seem to have even just swinging the gun (but that could just be me I use lmg a bit) but it just feels the fastest i've traveld but again that could be subjective.

The only people I can see having problems going positive are the spray and pray lot which is up there somewhere in the sea of words

I have no problem agreeing the play style takes a lot to pin down (again as stated ad nauseam) but i'm still going positive.

My mode is kill confirmed and 99% of the shotie users blow they run in get a kill or 2 and boom dead forcing me to sooner or later switch to stinger to take down some kill streak thats up on top of trying to nab the tags they've left lying around making me do the work of 2 sometimes 3 people but because they hit 16 odd kills they whoop it up like they won the round.

But anyway it's a moot point I took on the whole 1000 kills and i'll honour it I want all the guns gold anyway but quite a few of the kills feel cheap and the play style you have to engage isn't my thing i'm a heavy support player I love tagging people with recon pro/chopper i've also got using the radar to cut the map in half around my team and sheparding the enemy to where I need them without the enemy knowing down to an art I don't sit on it but a lot of people would consider that unskilled do I care? nope do I yell troll nope (I know you didn't) I understand that some people just plain consider the mini-map and putting dots onit to be unskilled each to their own.

In the words of papa Burgundy "agree to disagree"

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:46:22 GMT

U know I took a team of 2 or 3 FMG9 Akimbo n00bs running around with a Striker! They rage quit :D

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:37:26 GMT

shotguns are hard to use. they require a unique style of play. you have to be closer to the enemy than when you are running and gunning with your silenced mp7. shotguns arent even that great but got a little bit better when they were buffed.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:47:03 GMT

You really counter act yourself. Not going to lie.

On the skill part only one shotgun really does not take skill to get a positive K/D.

I do not know very many people that can go 30/5 with any other shotgun. most assaults and SMGs take no skill point and shoot or as in the P90 and PP90 put your hip spread marker on the guy and pull the trigger and bang a kill. ACR, scar g36, aim down a sight line see something move spray and keep your sight line on it you get a kill. you can do this with SMGs also. not a great amount of skill needed to go possitive and most average players can nail down great K/Ds with these guns with a little bit of luck they can get high Killstreaks.

I never see a average shotgunner calling in a reaper or a getting to osprey gunner. It takes skill do get high K/Ds with a shotgun. No it does not take skill to kill with it. But then what gun does take skill to kill with it. Striker is the exception to what I am saying now. if someone only gos 10/2 with a shotgun it is not because of skill but because they are awesome at finding good camping spots. But if someone can go 30-5 50-20 with a shotgun they have more skill then a assault riffle or SMG LMG sniper that hits those amounts of kills. it is very hard to hit high kills with low deaths on a shotgun because the fact of you can get over run very easy if you run into 3 or more people. with other guns it is allot easier spray and pray. where with shotguns you have to always be tacifully placing yourself so you take on 1 or 2 guys at a time or else land yourself behind the enemies and make every shot count otherwise be destroied.

Now for your range statement. Look at the AA12 it has shorter range and not by much. but it is almost useless until range proficency and even then you need to be right on top of the guys to get a kill and usually still takes 4 shots. you would epically destroy the shotguns if you took any range off them. Even the best shotgunners would not stand a chance against SMGs and assaults.

Yes you get pissed that a person one shot you and stopped your Killstreak. Yes even a noob can get lucky and kill you with a shotgun. How about that noob that came arround the corner sprying with a SMG or a guy camping on the far end of the map with a sniper rifle. hardscoping or the guy hiding behind a box with assault rifle. they get easy kills with those guns also. Personally I would rather see a noob running around the map with a shotgun then MP7, pp90, p90, scar, g36, acr, 50 call, RSASS. Or the famed and most easy to kill with CQC FMGs that seem to infect this game like the plague. and of coarse all other Akimbo MPs.

Re: Shotguns are so annoying!

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:23:26 GMT

I use the USAS-12, I rush around having fun and rack up normally 40+ kills each match.

I get killed over 20 times.

Do I care? No. It's fun and it's a game. The SMG's are better, no doubt.

If you get into a situation where the shotgun shines, eat the lead and deal with it. I don't complain when a AR kills me from 100 yards away, if you get within the shotgun range, that's your own fault.