Community: Message List - Backing out/Dashboarding

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:13:13 GMT

i never dashboard...i will however backout of a match in a heartbeat. and to be honest, in this game, K/D and W/L are pointless. i guess unless you play FFA. in BLOPS i think it was relative but in MW3 it's pointless as there is soo much boosting/cheating going on and with the lag comp hampering the game play the way it does there's no way stats can be true. i mean really, can you blame anyone for backing out when they either get thrown into a game with their teaming taking a pounding or starting a match and 3 mins in the entire other team has double digit kills/single digit deaths and vice versa for their team... this would suggest that no one on your team is any good and there are just too many creditable players out there to believe that.. but this is just my opinion..

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:01:19 GMT

it's not up to you or the developers to tell the players how to play the game. if they don't feel like staying in a game FOR ANY REASON, they're going to back out.

phone rings, doorbell rings, gotta scratch your a$$, get a beer, take a pi$$ etc

losing, joining a game that's almost over, lagging hard, boosters, offensive clan tags

it doesn't matter. play the game and get over it. video game stats don't mean anything so stop worrying about them.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:53:04 GMT

trialstar ...

I don't have a problem with people backing out because the game is too laggy. In fact, I really don't care if people back out or not.

But the OP is backing out for more reasons than a laggy game.

Dashboarding because you were dropped in on the losing side of a match that is perfectly fine other than that?

I guess I need to start doing the same thing. Bump my WL and KDR to "real" levels.

edit -

you do have a good point, too, though.

There's never going to be any way to stop people from doing it.

Can't beat 'em ... join 'em.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:51:48 GMT

You realize that Bungie tried this wait period with Halo Reach, it did little to nothing to stop people that left the game and never would. Quit bans, do not now or ever work at stoping players from doing it again.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:50:21 GMT

Ya know, I sign out(faster then dashboarding at getting back in the game) when ever a lobby is laggy or I get put in match were its going to be a loss no matter what. There is absolute no reason to stay and take the loss, or to stay in a laggy lobby just so other players can have fun at my expense. So not ever going to happen with me. If the lobby is too laggy, or the game I got dropped in to is way to far to even ever have a chance at a comeback. I will sign out and then back in and start the search over again. And no I do not care if I am host when it happens. I should not have been made host because my connection is barely enough to host a team tac with out lag. So if in a groundwar and I get host, or regular tdm and it lags, yep I am going to sign out. Tough luck to those in the lobby with me at that point in time.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:12:47 GMT

how bout they keep you in the game and nobody new can join. If the whole other team leaves then you get a win and game over. its simple. but i do suggest that if you lag out of the game there should be a 5 minute period where you can join back just incase. or not that would just be a safety for it. anyways that my input

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:02:52 GMT

Wow.

You're intimidated by being on the losing team when the score is 70 - 170?

I've seen bigger differences than that turned around. And I've been on both sides of the turn around.

Granted, 24 - 74 is not going to turn around.

But I've seen countless 2400 - 6500 matches turn around. THAT is fun.

I've seen 15 - 50 matches turn around in KC.

I mean, I'm not the greatest player out there by any stretch but dang man ... how often do you back out of a lobby that you are dropped into that many matches already started?

Maybe that's why you're getting dropped into so many already started matches. I stay in the same lobby for hours at a time. I'd say 70% or more of the time, when I get online and start searching for a lobby? I get dropped into one that's looking for more players.

Is there any chance the match-making formula takes into account how often people back out? dashboard?

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 01:12:05 GMT

I don't think its so much as "cherry picking" as it is wanting to find a game where you have a fair chance. Starting in a game of 76- 150+ in domination is a little BS.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 01:10:10 GMT

Its a big deal when you do leave a game alot because of a horrible score. Think about how many times you've done that. I know personally i've done it probably a couple hundred times or so... which means i probably have a couple hundred losses just from getting thrown in a game of dom (all i play) where the scores below a hundred to 170 ish.

Complete waste in my opinion, although i don't dashboard i just leave. I think they should allow you to check the score and back out if you choose without picking a class to avoid a loss. That's nonsense that you earn a loss for leaving a game you never even spawned into.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 01:03:39 GMT

Yep, it counts as a loss for everyone.

Really annoying when the party leader is a whiny individual who thinks they're gods gift to CoD but can't handle that pesky striker.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 00:31:42 GMT

W/L is a completely useless inconsequential stat by the way it's figured that no one should care. Open slots only occur on losing teams after all, so if you don't play with a clan, you are probably going to have a losing record. Dashboarding is a waste of time waiting for the game to reload. That time is better spent working on Blind Eye, Stinger Missle, and Assassin challenges. There's no way your team can win so stop rushing B, pull out the striker and akimbo FMG's and give the other team some grief.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:08:16 GMT

Until recently, I was unaware of terms such as "lag comp" and "dashboarding." I'm about a month into the game, so my understanding of how it is played, the specific COD vernacular, and etc is growing daily.

Is lag comp when you notice connection-related issues such as an enemy in front of you being pixalated and then teleported away from you or on the side? Or when you are in a building let's say, and all of the sudden while you're standing still you suddenly notice you are changing positions and view? Because if these are a couple of the symptoms, I have had them, which pisses me off being I use a direct connection, not wireless. I am not that friggin good yet, but jeeze, I don't enjoy being offed when I have an easy hip-fire shot at a dude in front of me only to see the screen twist and my view changed while I am trying to shoot. Doesn't happen often, but enough to make an impression.

As for dashboarding, look, I'm not good enough to where I can be picky. I'm basically just happy to play whenever I can. It does annoy me in a way that I choose to stay in lobbies where everyone else bolts and I have to wait for more people to join. But I try my best to stick it out, even in lobbies where everyone has prestiged 50,000 times and I have little hope to out-maneuver the opp and know they know the maps like they know their names. I obviously don't share many of the concerns as most excellent players do, such as K/D, W/L, and so on. But jeeze, I've joined dozens and dozens of games in progress on the losing side, losing by a LOT on DOM, and do feel it is unfair that if I were to back out it would count against me. Not like I'm good enough to make a huge diff anyway, but I don't see why players should be punished if they join a game of DOM in progress losing 170-70 or something and back out.

Maybe a point threshold where if you join a game in progress losing by more than say, 50 points and back out it doesn't count? I don't know, just my two cents. I never back out anyway.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:10:17 GMT

quick question:

If you are in a party, and the party leader leaves a game and takes the whole party with him, does that count as a loss for everyone on the party?

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:05:06 GMT

Na being noble is if you join the team gettin pounded with 1 minute to go and take the loss. But anyway hell yes you should take a free victory if you join the right side of a bukkake party late in the game. it evens out the losses incurred from connection errors due to dashboarding etc. If only it happened more often. :)

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:51:47 GMT

Aaah sh*t. I didn't know that it changed from the recent update. What a bunch of asholes IW are. I'll play tonight and see if it happens. If it is it SUCKS because I'm mainly a solo player. Hmmm.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:31:43 GMT

deucedouglas wrote:

I think it's funny the people who say they dashboard when they enter a game where they're losing because it's a loss they shouldn't have. So with that theory, since you're being so noble, shouldn't you then back out of every game that you join where you are winning also? I mean, that's a win that you shouldn't have gotten right? The only reason people dashboard is because they care WAY too much about their stats because they think they actually mean something.

i dashboard until i get into a lobby where the game hasn't started yet i hope you wasn't talking about me...

i dont really care about my stats but i do care about winning... even on mmorpg's i cant stand losing i have to win and if i lose i'll most likely rage and sleep on it.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:18:59 GMT

I think it's funny the people who say they dashboard when they enter a game where they're losing because it's a loss they shouldn't have. So with that theory, since you're being so noble, shouldn't you then back out of every game that you join where you are winning also? I mean, that's a win that you shouldn't have gotten right? The only reason people dashboard is because they care WAY too much about their stats because they think they actually mean something.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:13:22 GMT

if i join a game thats already in progress when im by myself i'll dashboard before the game loads. it doesn't count as a loss an hopefully it still works. im always being thrown into games that have already started and my team is a bunch of split screeners...

i seriously just want the option to avoid split screeners and not join games in progress it'll make this game alot better.

im so tired of split screeners camping in a building watching eachothers screen NO MORE PLEASE.

i would be like the rest of the people and say "i'll wait for the next cod" but since the next cod will be by treyarch im not buying it...

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:11:13 GMT

Even if Stealth Clown said it himself the statement is now FALSE. After the hotfix/update, no matter how fast you are, you'll take a loss when backing out. I played with this last night and no matter how quick you try and back out, you'll always get a loss.

This was my personal experience but if this is the case for everyone then I believe we'll see more dashboarding players. The only upside to this is that if/when the player dashboards it won't end the game since they won't be host.

So, dashboarding doesn't really hurt anyone here, except the team they're leaving. It is still best to just take the loss and deal with it, since W/L doesn't matter anymore. It'd be neat to have a stat that kept track of how many losses you get when a host dashboards, cannot connect to the server, or lost connection to the host. I think my actual losses from true defeats are less than half of my total losses. I've never had this many connection problems in a game before.

Re: Backing out/Dashboarding

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:11:58 GMT

I have rarely incurred a loss when backing out in observer mode before joining a game. It happens if your too slow I find. Be quick and it wont happen. This info was given by the Stealth Clown himself on twitter when someone complained about constantly joining losing teams late. It is to date the only useful info he has ever given IMO.

Dashboarding players? Don't mind tbh and I don't blame them either. It's not game breaking for me.

When I join a pub team late in the game (getting wasted by a full clan of evil players) I'll sometimes, for a laugh, join for a minute strictly to knock out all the clans stacked, high kill streak air support one by one (fragging myself to replenish stingers) until im satisfied there's none left. I then jet pack the f*ck outta there whilst saluting my poor comrades. Good times.