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Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:26:17 GMT

This thread is still up on the first page? I see the incompetence has quieted down.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:03:07 GMT

@trialsTARDragon

You surely do not understand the words primary and secondary. You might want to study up on your english skills. And you might want to study up on fps also. They do not call them weapon 1 weapon 2. First slot Second slot. Primary 1 primary 2. Just cause I am really nice I will give you some definitions.

Primary

adjective

1of chief importance; principal

Secondary

adjective

1coming after, less important than, or resulting from someone or something else that is primary:luck plays a role, but it’s ultimately secondary to local knowledge

Taken from oxford dictionary

I do love how you talk about skill then yet say they are easy to use. I think it is a little contradictory. I would love to see you beat me on a 1v1 battle. I will use akimbo FMG, you use whatever you want besides akimbo FMGs. 90% chance I come out in the leader why because the power those guns offer. Many people use them as if they where primaries because on maps like dome, hardhat, mission they offer CQS power that no other gun has. You come around a corner you see a arm you start shooting they are dead. Smgs can do this also but compared to the mass amount of rounds fired they kill half to a third as fast. Shot guns do not even stand a chance because they get one shot and it has to be perfect. You have to be dead center mass to get the one shot kill otherwise by the time you get the second shot off they probably have killed you. Currently with how FMGs hold power over every other gun at CQS makes the game unenjoyable. This really hurts objective games means most becaus alot of objectives are placed in tight spaces.

Yes we all can beat noobs with Akimbo FMGs but still they will get kills no matter how you try to outskill them. Just the amount of power in these guns can give a person with lack of skill some easy kills. All MPs in my opinion are too powerful with Akimbo attachment. Leave them MPs in the game by all means but take the akimbo attachment off them and you will gain alot more enjoyable and balanced gameplay.

Now another reason why they ruin the game they take away alot of peoples reasons to use the overkill perk. Currently the overkill perk is seen once in a live time because really there is no better cqc weapon that gives easy kills like Dual MPs.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:17:04 GMT

trialstardragon wrote:

For one there is not such thing as a balanced shooter and never has. There has always been one wepaon or more in each shooter that could out perform the other weapons.

*cough* Modern Warfare 2 *cough*

UMP was borderline. It may have been a 3HK from all range, but it had the slowest ROF out of all SMGs so it lost to every SMGs in SMG range combat, making it technically the worst SMG. I'm not going to say it's balanced, but I'm not going to say its OP or a gun that can out perform all guns. MW2 had weapon balance down to a tea. They could've had a little more recoil, but meh, it's call of duty, it's NEVER had high recoil.

Please, prove to me there was a gun that dominated all in MW2 (Aside from UMP, as I've already adressed it).

-Note: I'm only talking about the GUNS, so don't bring out the OMA/DC/Commando/Nuke etc etc

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:00:54 GMT

Kastro,

The thing is people are using the terms secondary and primary and putting abstract meanings to them that they should not have. A weapon is a weapon regardless of what slot it is in. it should not matter what slot the weapon is in on how it peforms or not. that is not balance. Any weapon should be able to be in any slot and do well regardless of the fact of what slot it is in.

Most of these that complain about OP weapons are just people that died to a weapon X amount of times got angry about and then decided it was unfair. They then see a site like the one guy uses and then try to use that as an excuse for the weapon being too good. They refuse to accept is is their own actions or inactions that control the outcome of each battle and not just the weapon. It is not just about some numbers on a site that determines game play balance. It never has been that way. It is about each player learning and adapting and growing beyond their comfort zone in how they play.

They refuse to move beyond the idea that first slot weapons should always be better. when that is clearly not the truth and never should ever be. Are the akimbo fmg's good? They can be at the right range, but other than taht they are trash against a player that knows how to counter them. But no one here wants to do that they want the developers to do it for them, so they do not need to adapt or learn or change how they play ever. If I wanted to play the game teh same way all the time I would never buy a new game.

The whole idea about a new game is having to learn to adapt and change how you play based upon the weapons in the game. Not having the weapons adapted to how you play the game. Not assuming that how it was in a past game of the same name is how it will be and should be in all future games of the same name. That is just dull and boring and useless and foolish.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:44:40 GMT

trialstardragon wrote:

And I will state it again, this is not about the fmg but how the fact a second slot weapon is beating some pleayrs favorite first slot weapon and them feeling that it is unfair and should not be allowed to happen. That their first slot weapon should always beat all second slot weapons and that in and of itself would not be balanced either.

It's not so much the a secondary weapon should never beat a primary weapon, but it should never be BETTER than a primary weapon except in certain instances (e.g. Pistols > Sniper Rifles in CQB). That was a point of contention with the community in regards to shotguns in MW2. They were TOO good to be a primary weapon. It was like having Overkill without actually having it.

You don't want that. You want a secondary weapon that is good and usable, but you don't want one where people prefer that over the primary weapon based upon it's effective use. If someone likes it just because they like it, fine. I like the USP .45, I get having favorite weapons.

But don't let "favorite weapons" be confused with "too good to be a secondary". We have Overkill if we want dual primary weapons.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:40:58 GMT

trialstardragon wrote:
*insert moronic statement here**

Move on.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:38:30 GMT

Game play balance is not just about gun balance and never was in this game or any other game like it. And that is the problem for people who things stats tell it all. They see a high stat weapon and think it must be the best gun and thus better then everything else in the game. When in the right hands it can be formidable, but when in the wrong hands it is nothing but trash.

Balance is about trying to match the guns and players and how they perform and is not as simple as just comparing numbers from a spredsheet and never will be.

There has never been a balanced shooter ever. There is always a baseline weapon that others are balanced against and that weapon usually does better in many areas then the other weapons do.

The so called balanced shooter is one where no weapon has any true advantage over another weapon and thus nulifies the need to have more then one weapon in the game at all.

And I will state it again, this is not about the fmg but how the fact a second slot weapon is beating some pleayrs favorite first slot weapon and them feeling that it is unfair and should not be allowed to happen. That their first slot weapon should always beat all second slot weapons and that in and of itself would not be balanced either.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:29:35 GMT

DLSV2 wrote:

platinumb wrote:
and they don't have the IQ of a pipe there either.
That's the main reason I signed up. Hopefully in the next year or two word will get out and more people would join, preferably not trialstajfuyguigagdfuiygdragon and viledurr.

I really hope they do a few modifications to the FB 2.0 and work from there. If not, I hope they are coming up with a engine specially made for their game (whatever it is).

Those two can sign up. Just expect alot of flaming.

@ Kastro - Yea I seen posts from you and tons from the IWF. Mainly, old IW fans and former CoD fanatics.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:27:20 GMT

platinumb wrote:

I am a little to lazy to make an account there, but I do navigate the forums and they all agree to the same things there, and they don't have the IQ of a pipe there either.

Hey now, I'm over there.... lol, top 20 for overall post count

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:23:03 GMT

platinumb wrote:
and they don't have the IQ of a pipe there either.

That's the main reason I signed up. Hopefully in the next year or two word will get out and more people would join, preferably not trialstajfuyguigagdfuiygdragon and viledurr.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:20:41 GMT

DLSV2 wrote:

trialstardragon wrote:

And yes if the player using the pistol could beat the so called osk lazer weapon then yes the pistol was better in the hands of that player. And that is what balance is about.
And this is why COD is slowly dying.

trialstardragon wrote:

Not just about some stats on some site where some guy wastes time to try and show off all the stats of each gun. when those stats mean nothing when compared to the actual skill of each player using the weapon.
And this also.

If only there were more people on the Respawn forums........

I am a little to lazy to make an account there, but I do navigate the forums and they all agree to the same things there, and they don't have the IQ of a pipe there either.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:18:11 GMT

Trial, no one cares about your personal experience and preference when proving something balanced.

Just because you adapt to a weapon doesn't, make it balanced.

Just because they are a counter to a tactic, doesn't make it balanced.

Just because they don't fit your needs, doesn't make it balanced.

Just because they are boring doesn't, make it balanced.

Just because you don't use them and prefer a Riot Shield with a Stinger on your back and you use a Throwing Knife as your primary whilist performing a liver transplant, doesn't make it balanced.

Just because oMLG-Twiiizted here dropshotted this FMG Akimbo guy every time in a gun battle doesn't make them balance.

Get it through your partially failing brain:

This is weapon balance. Not skill. Not looks. Not "BT I LEIK TOO USE THE DESERT EAGLE, SO SUK IT". Weapon balance.

Your logic is totally flawed. Stop repeating yourself. You and Vile sound like tape recorders and when someone posts a pic, you call them immature and can't support their argument when in reality, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU ARE WRONG THE WHOLE TIME.

Im done.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:00:13 GMT

trialstardragon wrote:

And yes if the player using the pistol could beat the so called osk lazer weapon then yes the pistol was better in the hands of that player. And that is what balance is about.

And this is why COD is slowly dying.

trialstardragon wrote:

Not just about some stats on some site where some guy wastes time to try and show off all the stats of each gun. when those stats mean nothing when compared to the actual skill of each player using the weapon.

And this also.

If only there were more people on the Respawn forums........

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:56:24 GMT

LOL 100 shots to kill someone.. not at all. the pistols in this game are very good if you can use them correctly at the correct range. And yes if the player using the pistol could beat the so called osk lazer weapon then yes the pistol was better in the hands of that player. And that is what balance is about. Not just about some stats on some site where some guy wastes time to try and show off all the stats of each gun. when those stats mean nothing when compared to the actual skill of each player using the weapon. The best weapon in the world would be utter crap if the player could not use it correctly. And the worst weapon in the world could make you a god if you had the right skills to use it and did so the right way.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:47:50 GMT

For one there is not such thing as a balanced shooter and never has. There has always been one wepaon or more in each shooter that could out perform the other weapons. There is no such thing as a perfectly balanced game online ever and never will be.

Do I use them alot, heh not even. Its boring using those guns. I prefer the pistols or the smaw actually. I have had each at level 10 before and used each of the attachments on them. And no they are not the best weapons in teh game and never will be. They are just exceedingly easy for any player to use if all you want is to spray and pray to get kills. They are the perfect counter to the rushing noobs that constantly sprint around the match thinking their smg or shotty should make them a god at killing. Only to face a weapon that will make them a zero instead of the foolhardy hero they think themself to be.

The only thing amiss with them is the added benefits that akimbo gives them. Other then that the weapons themself suck by their own. And yes I have died to fmg users, and then I adapt and kill them at range where the fmg becomes useless. Something it seems no one here wants to have to do. Instead they want to cry about and make the developers change the game so they do not need to learn or adapt their playstyle at all.

The only people that get owned by these are the run-n-gun rushers that constantly run around like a fool and then get sprayed down by a weapon taht should terminate their spawn very quickly with how it works. Play a long range game and they are nothing at all. Play a flanking game where you come at them from the sides and they are nothing at all.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:42:03 GMT

trialstardragon wrote:

LOL.. it is easy to defeat akimbo fmg users. wow. people will cry about some of the silliest things in these games and call it OP just because it can beat the weapon that they like to use. I can beat fmg users with pistols. its not hard to do. I can be the fmg user with the models its not hard to do. I can beat them with a sniper, its not hard to do. I can be them with the FAD its not hard to do. They are not OP, just easy to use.

Primary does not always mean stronger or better, it is just the first weapons lot, the weapon you spawn with and nothing more. Secondary does not always mean weaker, it is just the second weapon slot and nothing more.

Everyone cries about how a second slot weapon is beating a first slot weapon.. when it really comes down to player skill and how they use the weapon and not the weapon itself.

Most of the whiners here are rushers that get too close and thus should get owned each and every time by those guns at that range if running at them like a fool and tool. They are not hard to avoid or beat.

Didn't read. Read my previous posts when I was semi-serious about this discussion.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:37:39 GMT

LOL.. it is easy to defeat akimbo fmg users. wow. people will cry about some of the silliest things in these games and call it OP just because it can beat the weapon that they like to use. I can beat fmg users with pistols. its not hard to do. I can be the fmg user with the models its not hard to do. I can beat them with a sniper, its not hard to do. I can be them with the FAD its not hard to do. They are not OP, just easy to use.

Primary does not always mean stronger or better, it is just the first weapons lot, the weapon you spawn with and nothing more. Secondary does not always mean weaker, it is just the second weapon slot and nothing more.

Everyone cries about how a second slot weapon is beating a first slot weapon.. when it really comes down to player skill and how they use the weapon and not the weapon itself.

Most of the whiners here are rushers that get too close and thus should get owned each and every time by those guns at that range if running at them like a fool and tool. They are not hard to avoid or beat.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:35:55 GMT

I beat a one shot kill laser beam with a pistol that takes 100 shots to kill. Obviously the pistol is the better gun.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:33:26 GMT

LOL.. it is easy to defeat akimbo fmg users. wow. people will cry about some of the silliest things in these gams and call it OP just because it can beat the weapon that they like to use. I can beat fmg users with pistols. its not hard to do. I can be the fmg user with the models its not hard to do. I can beat them with a sniper, its not hard to do. I can be them with the FAD its not hard to do. They are not OP, just easy to use.

Re: i hope u do know they didnt nerf the FMGs right?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:27:26 GMT