Community: Message List - Lack of Innovation?

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:24:00 GMT

With all due respect, I'm not sure you see many innovations in the Madden series either. It's the same thing each year with small tweaks.

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:22:40 GMT

As a former level designer I can tell you you'll most likely never see maptools again in your lifetime. If you realize the shift in MW2 and BOps you'll understand why this is true.

Why would a gaming company allow you to design new possibly wonderful levels when they can starve their base for new content and provide them with that content for a yearly fee through Elite or via various packs released throughout the year.

Maptools just cost the company money to release. Unfortunately I think that process is over with COD for sure - most likely other companies as well.

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:56:10 GMT

[EW]TheO\'ReilyFactor wrote:

[pde]paulkersey wrote:

Off Topic: A Star Wars Battlefront III would be badass hehe
OMG YES. If Lucasarts could get EA to do it with the Frostbyte 2.0 engine i would pay $500 for the game itself!!!

DONT EVEN GO THERE!!!! giving them huge price ideas lol

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:08:08 GMT

I think they should add new kill streaks. Like they have in mercenaries. Cruse missiles to take down buildings, air support choppers to take out enemy planes/choppers, and bunker busters to take out ppl that hide in shelters.

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:09:14 GMT

I find I'm just bored/tired of the whole CoD experience in general.

It's the same thing release after release, day in and day out. For example: My team plays S&D exclusively. I can only spawn, chuck a nade, smg from the hip, die, repeat for so long. Completely tired of it.

I think it would be the same with any other game type before long as well.

Soooo, enter BF3. I love it! There's sooo much more going on in a game it's mind boggling how anyone would choose to play boring stagnant CoD over it.

We were in a squad of 4 the other day, locking down a point in conquest. Go figure we actually had to ADS, as well as lead our targets to get infantry kills, but as we were holding that point, we had tanks, helicopters and jets to deal with also. Buildings falling down, walls being blown out all around us -- was soo much fun. The sound is f'ing incredible... jets flying over head, explosions and gunfire everywhere. Graphics are superb.

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:05:14 GMT

camco wrote:

Think about it:

I was talking to a fellow guild mate about this same subject today:

Going just off of Infinity Ward made games:

CoD1 & 2 did not have very much to them. It was a shooter with guns people and maps. That's pretty much it.
Now CoD4 brought a whole new world to the game: CUSTOMIZATION!

Answer me this: does adding customization to a game ruin a game? DONT ANSWER YET. Think first.
Every game in history WITHOUT customization, for the most part, people loved to play. Today, mostly all games that have customization in them, people do not like them as much.

Coincidence...or not?

I agree: keep it simple; that's why i have no problem with unranked servers, HardCore, and barebones modes (of course it hard to talk even the the most ardent players in to a barebones game) so i guess i'd have to say customization in modreatetion

i just hope enough people agree, to keep the series going

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 04:40:28 GMT

[pde]paulkersey wrote:

Off Topic: A Star Wars Battlefront III would be badass hehe

OMG YES. If Lucasarts could get EA to do it with the Frostbyte 2.0 engine i would pay $500 for the game itself!!!

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 04:16:42 GMT

Think about it:

I was talking to a fellow guild mate about this same subject today:

Going just off of Infinity Ward made games:

CoD1 & 2 did not have very much to them. It was a shooter with guns people and maps. That's pretty much it.

Now CoD4 brought a whole new world to the game: CUSTOMIZATION!

Answer me this: does adding customization to a game ruin a game? DONT ANSWER YET. Think first.

Every game in history WITHOUT customization, for the most part, people loved to play. Today, mostly all games that have customization in them, people do not like them as much.

Coincidence...or not?

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:20:41 GMT

Frankly, I'm perfectly willing to pay my 60 bucks for an expansion pack- presuming that it finally fixes the age old problems and makes the archetypal gameplay bearable.

If its one thing MW2 did right it was how good its visuals looked considering how modest its reccomended system specs were. Its engine got the job done very nicely, and that's the last thing I would change.

MW2's problems really just came down to very poor decisions made in multiplayer balance and a little bit of map design. Plus the whole dedicated server flop, but that's beside the point. Back on topic, had MW2 just been made with fewer rediculous blunders in its weapons, perks, streaks, and maps, then it would have been a really stellar experience.

In the end, what I'm hoping to get in exhange for my 60 bucks is that stellar experience. If a simple patch to MW2 delivers it, then I'll be the first one in line to get it. To hell with whether or not its innovative.

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:16:28 GMT

Lack of real graphical changes? Yes. The game itself seems to have lots of changes. Strike packages, gun proficiencies, etc. The "feel" will be the same, but its CoD, not a new series, so Im fine with that.

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:18:56 GMT

i would say thats just filling the game with gimmicks

sure its fun to send some dogs or gunning redmarkers from above, but thats just gimmicks to me

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:55:09 GMT

lack of innovation ????

we got dogs with bombs !!!!!

:rollseyes:

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:34:31 GMT

Homefront actually has a good idea, but wrapped in genericness and bad quality. I know CoD devs will never do it and most fans don't want any real change. I've actually written a topic about it on our site a week ago. I would like to see the Homefront idea succeed, but remove the generic soldier clones and *boring maps (*a problem with BF3 also).

What I would really like to see is some Perfect Dark gameplay implemented. I like how all of the weapons had unique, secondary uses to them. I haven't seen gameplay and ideas like that since the year 2000. If it was, the game couldn't be called Call of Duty anymore, that's for sure. I used to love Unreal, but it doesn't move forward anymore.

Maybe it's time for a new game with that fast pace action but without the title Call of Duty in it. If something is new and tried out in CoD that changes the gameplay some, the fans will start bashing it saying it's no longer CoD. That seems to be the biggest problem.

When I first thought of MW2's multiplayer in my head, I thought of being on a Snow map where you could go in a hole in ice on the ground and swim to a location where an enemy would be, come up out of the water and stab them from behind. I also thought about the snowmobiles being able to be used for transport. I like weather effects also. small things like this wouldn't be accepted by the CoD fans and CoD will probably die because of it. People cried about tanks being in WaW.

Off Topic: A Star Wars Battlefront III would be badass hehe

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:17:25 GMT

i didnt said CoD is older than BF i did say that CoD is more popular and they are 2 different things, more popular ------> more people grew with it........

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:56:43 GMT

Team deathmatch with Kill confirmed,? this is new and looks very exiting gametype, even might be an ace competition type game, if promod can be made for mw3.. {BHC}Max @ www.bhc-rangers.com

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:43:49 GMT

Just thought I'd point out, Battlefield has been around longer than Call of Duty...

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:42:12 GMT

Well, no one is forcing you to buy the game if it's getting to monotonous for you. Moreover, IW/TA are in a catch-22: If they change too much, people will complain it doesn't feel like cod; if they don't change enough, people will complain it's just more of the same.

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:34:10 GMT

i think that a good game like CoD must be the same in general terms, if you change it too much you can have the opposite effect: people leaving cause they say " this isnt cod anymore " so their strategy to keep the feeling of the game the same and introducing new stuff and resolve problems is a nice choice for me, and to me the people who say lack of innovation really dont understand what CoD is. Battlefield can have major changes cause is not popular as CoD, many people didnt grew up with battlefield but with CoD, if you change battlefield no one cares, if you change CoD many people will be disappointed.

Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:21:59 GMT

That is absolutely an incorrect assumption and I'll prove it.

A game that just released by the name of Hard Reset (http://store.steampowered.com/app/98400/?snr=1_4_4__103_2) released with their own brand new engine. The game is only DX9 capable, looks great and can run on a computer that can play CoD4.

Please explain to me again your logic about new engines requiring upgraded computers to play on.

4shizzlemy20

Re: Lack of Innovation?

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:10:30 GMT

new engine = new pc for most gamers, the fact that mw3 will work on pc's built 4x years ago, = more players and more sales, no need for mahoosiv upgrades..