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    <title>Community: Message List - seriously the shotguns :/</title>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:11:01 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945505?tstart=0#105945505</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:ecdab699-421a-442f-ae9b-43509abac786] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not my video bud.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So you're saying a blank range, a shotgun should be a 2-3 hit kill in core.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hardcore or not, Shotguns are suppose to be deadly &lt;strong&gt;primary&lt;/strong&gt; weapons.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I cannot emphasise the word "primary" enough&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:ecdab699-421a-442f-ae9b-43509abac786] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:11:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945505?tstart=0#105945505</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T13:11:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945366?tstart=0#105945366</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:fc0f6f2a-e13b-4eff-8996-974dde37f4d4] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm not sure people have unlocked everything for them yet either. I mean for me I started using an assault rifle and right away I thought it was garbage, until I unlocked all of its stuff. Same thing when it came to using one of the subs, wasnt great until I unlocked things for it. However, the UMP right away was great out the gate. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just give it some time people. Oh, and the Striker had no problem dumping me 5 times in one match yesterday....seemd like a decent shotty.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:fc0f6f2a-e13b-4eff-8996-974dde37f4d4] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:49:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945366?tstart=0#105945366</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T12:49:49Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 7 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945454?tstart=0#105945454</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:41d3c244-2985-49a6-a3ba-68556cea4d05] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;You are not playing hardcore so what do you expect? Non hardcore you are a bullet sponge.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:41d3c244-2985-49a6-a3ba-68556cea4d05] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:49:02 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945454?tstart=0#105945454</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T12:49:02Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 7 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945436?tstart=0#105945436</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:2683d8e9-d6c3-487d-8d52-993038746364] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;it so does &lt;img height="16px" src="http://community.activision.com/4.5.6/images/emoticons/sad.gif" width="16px"/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:2683d8e9-d6c3-487d-8d52-993038746364] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:46:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945436?tstart=0#105945436</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T12:46:03Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 7 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945245?tstart=0#105945245</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:c104a472-3399-4c77-bf2d-bf424d7a5e3b] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;the model 1887 is ridiculous and it is the most powerfull shotgun it takes two shots even from really close range at times, i think they was worried about making it as powerfull as the in mw2 but gone to far and nurfed it was to much &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:c104a472-3399-4c77-bf2d-bf424d7a5e3b] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:39:54 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945245?tstart=0#105945245</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T12:39:54Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 7 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945435?tstart=0#105945435</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:1b22106d-e21e-4762-949d-0506e384b825] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;no i am good with shotguns. i played exclusively on black ops with spas12, stakeout and masterkey on all maps, yes even jungle, array, discovery etc and i was always able to maintain a kdr or 2.50 and rising. &lt;br/&gt;now in mw3, the shotguns are so weak, i get lots of hitmarkers and i am dead from the enemy. i heard that the guns in mw3 have built in stopping power by default, but it seems they did not include the shotguns in this :/ &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;using a weak shotgun until the stopping power proficiency is unlocked is not enjoyable at all :/&lt;br/&gt;there is almost no reason now for a shotgun user to prestige. i dont want to have to deal with the same crap all over again and re-rank the shotgun to have stopping power like all the other primaires do by default :/ &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:1b22106d-e21e-4762-949d-0506e384b825] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:37:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945435?tstart=0#105945435</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T12:37:14Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 7 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945200?tstart=0#105945200</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:fc0abe6b-c928-4b70-8f86-1e658d106ae1] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;This clip sums up shotguns in MW3:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-8TFh1nA-Q&amp;amp;feature=feedlik"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-8TFh1nA-Q&amp;amp;feature=feedlik&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:fc0abe6b-c928-4b70-8f86-1e658d106ae1] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:57:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945200?tstart=0#105945200</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T11:57:48Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 7 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945219?tstart=0#105945219</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:bde6e555-a42f-451d-8385-2e87860cf3fa] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;They made them weaker to make up for their devastating power as secondaries in MW2. It wasn't really fair to get one-shotted by a shotgun at medium range when that's an SMG's job, right? Well now they're weaker to compensate for all the scrubs' whining.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="min-height: 8pt; height: 8pt; padding: 0px;"&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That, and you might just suck with shotguns... O.O&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:bde6e555-a42f-451d-8385-2e87860cf3fa] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:34:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945219?tstart=0#105945219</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T11:34:45Z</dc:date>
      <clearspace:dateToText>1 year, 7 months ago</clearspace:dateToText>
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      <title>Re: seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945218?tstart=0#105945218</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:039692aa-5f73-4f0c-97aa-2e670f198023] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;they seem fine to me ive been killing with them ok and ive been killed off them enough times aswell&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:039692aa-5f73-4f0c-97aa-2e670f198023] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:30:59 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945218?tstart=0#105945218</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T11:30:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>seriously the shotguns :/</title>
      <link>http://community.activision.com/message/105945132?tstart=0#105945132</link>
      <description>&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyStart:4d2b6b68-9e1e-47d3-8a2d-3a2d0b8c7e6d] --&gt;&lt;div class="jive-rendered-content"&gt;&lt;p&gt;i have tried, usas12, ksg12, spas12 and aa12 and they are so terrible. spas12 was ok but the others were so bad. the proficiencies do make them better, but it means using an unreliable weapon for a long time and taking lots of deaths before you can actually improve the shotgun :/ &lt;br/&gt;the shotgun which seems most reliable so far is the striker from the default shotgun class. but even then, you can&amp;#180;t unlock the striker and have your own class with it until level 48 i think it is. the earlier shotguns need some improvments made to them in order for them to be able to compete with everything else!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;the secondary shotguns from mw2 seem better than the primary shotguns we have here in mw3 which is just wrong :/ &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!-- [DocumentBodyEnd:4d2b6b68-9e1e-47d3-8a2d-3a2d0b8c7e6d] --&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:27:55 GMT</pubDate>
      <author>donotreply@activision.com</author>
      <guid>http://community.activision.com/message/105945132?tstart=0#105945132</guid>
      <dc:date>2011-11-10T11:27:55Z</dc:date>
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