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Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 19 May 2011 14:10:18 GMT

An Oreo wrote:

The game is virtually unplayable.

As evidenced by the 7 million plus unique people a day who do so. Sorry you are not enjoying the game. It's ok to not like things. I'm not yet sure if it's ok to flat lie about stuff.

David 'Vahn' Vonderhaar

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:41:16 GMT

ii darkshadow oO wrote:

Brandaman wrote:

TwinWolf954+ wrote:

You don't want to know what happened to the last person who argued with him.

I do actually.

@Darkshadow, I never said he was acting mature, I said he wasn't trolling.

Last one then.
Well he was. And there are many different kinds of trolls, so maybe you were only considering only one extreme but the way he posted was definitely a form of trolling, or maybe just a natural way a child reacts. Who knows.

Oreo: "Many developers still release some form of an update if their game is compromised."
Heh. Ask some of the guys who have been at trueachievements.com for a while or have played a lot of games about that, and find out just how many developers (from their perspective at least) in the past haven't done so and how many games still have issues.

It is Call of Duty, a highly expensive title which still sells. MW2 still sells and so does WaW. Older, less popular dead games may not release updates, but if you still rake in money, it isn't right, and shows the incompetence of Treyarch. I haven't even seen Treyarch recognize the problem. The game is virtually unplayable.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:16:36 GMT

ii darkshadow oO wrote:

Brandaman wrote:

TwinWolf954+ wrote:

You don't want to know what happened to the last person who argued with him.

I do actually.

@Darkshadow, I never said he was acting mature, I said he wasn't trolling.

Last one then.
Well he was. And there are many different kinds of trolls, so maybe you were only considering only one extreme but the way he posted was definitely a form of trolling, or maybe just a natural way a child reacts. Who knows.

Oreo: "Many developers still release some form of an update if their game is compromised."
Heh. Ask some of the guys who have been at trueachievements.com for a while or have played a lot of games about that, and find out just how many developers (from their perspective at least) in the past haven't done so and how many games still have issues.

Meh. Not going to argue. You'll keep saying he is, I'll keep saying he's not. It'll go nowhere.

On your subject to Oreo, most games don't make billions of dollars in revenue every single year. Or still have thousands of people playing them. I've wanted to go back and play it a little, but because of the hackers, I've avoided it.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:13:20 GMT

Brandaman wrote:

TwinWolf954+ wrote:

You don't want to know what happened to the last person who argued with him.

I do actually.

@Darkshadow, I never said he was acting mature, I said he wasn't trolling.

Last one then.
Well he was. And there are many different kinds of trolls, so maybe you were only considering only one extreme but the way he posted was definitely a form of trolling, or maybe just a natural way a child reacts. Who knows.

Oreo: "Many developers still release some form of an update if their game is compromised."
Heh. Ask some of the guys who have been at trueachievements.com for a while or have played a lot of games about that, and find out just how many developers (from their perspective at least) in the past haven't done so and how many games still have issues.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:09:25 GMT

Brandaman wrote:

TwinWolf954+ wrote:

You don't want to know what happened to the last person who argued with him.

I do actually.

ii darkshadow oO gave him "the Wall".

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:09:11 GMT

I agree. Stackable killstreaks made for faster gameplay. and when you sniped in that game you didnt have to have a timer in your head, thinking about if you could shoot without your bullet veering off in a different direction.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:08:25 GMT

WARzH311ion wrote:

1: W@W is a three year old game. It is no longer supported.
.

That is the worst ******* answer I've ever heard sir! Many developers still release some form of an update if their game is compromised. I don't think you understand how unplayable that game is. World at War can still be bought for 30-40 dollars at major retailers, and if it is still on shelves, they still have a duty of care to make sure it is playable! If Treyarch can't even fix the epidemic on WaW, how would they fix something of that scale on Black Ops? We saw how Infinity Ward handle it, which is to say, poorly for multiple reasons.(lawsuit being one of them).

Also, no matter how great a game is, there will always be haters, and that is something you have to filter out and deal with. Just because hate comes your way, doesn't mean you should turn your head and ignore your community because some people were a little mean! That is why we have moderators! Things would possibly be better if JD did his job a bit better, get off Twitter for 20 minutes and come here at least once a week to deal with questions. Address the whiners about issues such as the 74u and FAMAS, and move on. We don't even know if Treyarch is listening, they say they do but we just have to trust them about that.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:07:10 GMT

TwinWolf954+ wrote:

You don't want to know what happened to the last person who argued with him.

I do actually.

@Darkshadow, I never said he was acting mature, I said he wasn't trolling.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:06:17 GMT

lilsweat wrote:

People paid $60 and seem to think they that they deserve the perfect game. Compared to previous CoD games, the Famas and Ghost are hardly even a problem. Nobody owes you anything, if you don't like the game then don't play it.

lilsweat for president?

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:05:56 GMT

FAMAUG wrote:

lilsweat wrote:

People paid $60 and seem to think they that they deserve the perfect game. Compared to previous CoD games, the Famas and Ghost are hardly even a problem.

This is exactly right. I've been going back to MW2 lately, and that game is still an utter mess. You'll hear noobtubes and Intervertions/Barretts spamming constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY throughout every match. And the overpowered stackable killstreaks still make most games a living nightmare. I still see MLC knifers in every match. Black Ops is all about gun play, which is why I love it.

Waaaa? Which system do you play on?

I've been playing it a lot too, but it's only very occasionally see OMA noob tubers or MLC knifers.

Also, I quite liked the stackable killstreaks. I'm probably in the minority, but opinions will be opinions.

And the reason that you see/hear Interventions and .50's all the time is because sniping was BRILLIANT on that game. You can't deny it was good, quickscoping aside.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:04:24 GMT

FAMAUG wrote:

lilsweat wrote:

People paid $60 and seem to think they that they deserve the perfect game. Compared to previous CoD games, the Famas and Ghost are hardly even a problem.

This is exactly right. I've been going back to MW2 lately, and that game is still an utter mess. You'll hear noobtubes and Intervertions/Barretts spamming constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY throughout every match. And the overpowered stackable killstreaks still make most games a living nightmare. I still see MLC knifers in every match. Black Ops is all about gun play, which is why I love it.

Yeah... Its about FAMAS play. Can you spam a sniper rifle? Granted they were very easy to use. But 9 times out of 10 they were easy kills. You don't hear them in this game because they suck.( probably from lack of maps for them) If they fixed OMA and Commando that game would be a dream. The lag in Black Ops gives almost everyone commando knife range anyways.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:03:24 GMT

lilsweat wrote:

People paid $60 and seem to think they that they deserve the perfect game. Compared to previous CoD games, the Famas and Ghost are hardly even a problem. Nobody owes you anything, if you don't like the game then don't play it.

This. You pay for the SinglePlayer and offline MP. Online MP is free.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 22:00:49 GMT

People are obviously taking Treyarch's promise to listen to feedback for granted. Like I always say, there's a difference between fixing unintended glitches and bugs, and catering to whiners because they're having a hard time adapting to the game.

ii darkshadow oO wrote:

Right, because he was trying to present himself as mature and rational by using inflammatory words and foul language.

I wouldn't argue with ii darkshadow oO, if I were you. You don't want to know what happened to the last person who argued with him.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 21:59:00 GMT

lilsweat wrote:

People paid $60 and seem to think they that they deserve the perfect game. Compared to previous CoD games, the Famas and Ghost are hardly even a problem.

This is exactly right. I've been going back to MW2 lately, and that game is still an utter mess. You'll hear noobtubes and Intervertions/Barretts spamming constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY throughout every match. And the overpowered stackable killstreaks still make most games a living nightmare. I still see MLC knifers in every match. Black Ops is all about gun play, which is why I love it.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 21:56:47 GMT

People paid $60 and seem to think they that they deserve the perfect game. Compared to previous CoD games, the Famas and Ghost are hardly even a problem. Nobody owes you anything, if you don't like the game then don't play it.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 21:55:08 GMT

Brandaman wrote:

ii darkshadow oO wrote:

I would honestly say I am shocked at that response, or even laugh at that, but I'm not. I totally understand. Trolls wouldn't know if they're trolls. You've trolled a bit in the past. But that's just an opinion, right?

Wikipedia wrote:

a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response

I'm pretty sure he wasn't intending to provoke anyone. And I've never posted on here intending to provoke anyone into an emotional response.

Right, because he was trying to present himself as mature and rational by using inflammatory words and foul language.
Let's let the moderators decide.

Twin: It's fine if he argues. He has every right to(to an extent). I'm not a super elite person, just another user. But he can't argue with people that aren't here. Peace.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 21:53:10 GMT

Gervan wrote:

Brandaman wrote:

Gervan wrote:

It was. And even with the guns being very similar, we still have a forum where every other post is someone complaining about balance.

It wasn't, I just checked.

And that's because they made all of the guns identical, then made two of them more powerful than the others. An idiot could see it was unbalanced.

well i don't know where you checked, but yes it was.
So, the point stands. They patched a gun, people found a new one to whine about. They patched that, people found a new one to whine about. If they patch the famas, people will find a new gun to whine about. I can't see this game (or any game) being balanced in the eyes of the community.

The G11 has not been nerfed. Vahn mentioned possibly nerfing it on his twitter page, but it never actually happened. The only gun that has been nerfed is the AK74u (and all sniper rifles of course).

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 21:51:51 GMT

ii darkshadow oO wrote:

I would honestly say I am shocked at that response, or even laugh at that, but I'm not. I totally understand. Trolls wouldn't know if they're trolls. You've trolled a bit in the past. But that's just an opinion, right?

Wikipedia wrote:

a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response

I'm pretty sure he wasn't intending to provoke anyone. And I've never posted on here intending to provoke anyone into an emotional response.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 21:49:45 GMT

S6X-Stringz wrote:

As much as people cry and moan about a lot of things, Vahn needs to man up and stop running away and start letting those people have it.
And no, I don't mean get into childish keyboard warrior wars with them but look past them and get whatever info he's got for us out there and that's it.

So what if people criticize him or his work, or his co workers work? It's what people do, especially when they're the cusomer.

I don't know if it's as big of a deal to them as the OP is posting, but I just hope they're here to answer those threads and questions coming from individuals who take the time to properly explain and express their thoughts, concerns, and questions and ignore the rest. Should be simple enough for a grown man, and any other grown man working under Treyarch.

Chances they don't really give a hoot about the children on the forum though.

There's a huge issue with that.
There are two to three sides to every "issue" being discussed. That's what Vahn has talked about over and over again for the past few years. Some people will be happy with the choices made while some won't no matter what choice is made. That's the whole point. It's not something that can be fixed because no matter what there will always be some people that want it "another" way. He let's people have "those things." Fine. Now the "other people" are upset. Now we are back to this thread- exactly where we started.
I'm glad my career won't deal with anyone younger than the age of 21; this can definitely get stressful.

Re: Why Vahn ignores this place.

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 May 2011 21:45:38 GMT

As much as people cry and moan about a lot of things, Vahn needs to man up and stop running away and start letting those people have it.
And no, I don't mean get into childish keyboard warrior wars with them but look past them and get whatever info he's got for us out there and that's it.

So what if people criticize him or his work, or his co workers work? It's what people do, especially when they're the cusomer.

I don't know if it's as big of a deal to them as the OP is posting, but I just hope they're here to answer those threads and questions coming from individuals who take the time to properly explain and express their thoughts, concerns, and questions and ignore the rest. Should be simple enough for a grown man, and any other grown man working under Treyarch.

Chances they don't really give a hoot about the children on the forum though.