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Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:51:47 GMT

There should be a system in place as follows.

Leave the knifing mechanic as is.

If you are currently at 100% health and you knife someone, that should be a one hit kill.

However if you are hurt and have say 80% of your health, then your knife attack should only account for 80% damage on another player. If the player that you knife, and inflict 80% damage on, gets shot by another player shortly thereafter you would get an 80 point assist.

Knifing should still be a 2 hit kill even if your health is below 50%, however if you only get one knife on the guy before he kills you then it should still only inflict as much damage as the health you have. A way to balance this could be to make your recovery from the knife lunge shorter if you knifed a guy when you were damaged, giving you more of a chance to shoot/2nd knife the enemy player after you already knifed him once. Some tweaking with the mechanics could be needed...

Another possibility is that if you knife someone when you have less than 100% health, then the player doesn't die but goes into last stand...just a thought.

This would reduce one hit kill knifing to situations where you sneak up on someone, or quickly knife them when you come around a corner or doorway. In such cases you deserve to be knifed because you either got snuck up on, missed with your gun or knife, or were slower at the knife than the other player. All of which are fair gameplay mechanics.

This system leaves the current knifing system basically intact and wont be as much of a shock as making the knife a default 2 shot kill. Which in my opinion would nerf the knife to the point where no one would use it, and at that point you mid as well remove it entirely. Gameplay in COD is too fast for a default 2 hit knifing system. I hope they don't resort to that.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:26:19 GMT

Knifing shouldn't be a insta-kill nor a lunge.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:20:32 GMT

TheMrJack0Jack wrote:

TheBIindSniper wrote:

Here's the best solution

**If you hold down the melee button for .2 something seconds, the knife works. So if you simply tap the button, the knife will not swing. Basically, it's "tap" protection, so you won't swing a knife when you didn't mean it

or

**If you DOUBLE TAP the melee button, the knife swings.

Although personally, I'd also want to be able to pull the knife out and hold it in front of me, like in that mission of Black Ops, "Victor Charlie". That way my knife slashes would be faster.

~RUGGED SAVIOR

Good idea, if that was to come into the game I think they (Treyarch) would have to come up with an idea to make something happen when you tap the melee button once. I have no idea what this would be though. Still, I like it.

How about it takes 2 hits with the butt of your gun to kill and if you want to 1HK with a knife then you need to attach it to your gun (like the bayonets in WaW) but it counts as an underbarrel attachment?

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:10:09 GMT

TheBIindSniper wrote:

Here's the best solution

**If you hold down the melee button for .2 something seconds, the knife works. So if you simply tap the button, the knife will not swing. Basically, it's "tap" protection, so you won't swing a knife when you didn't mean it

or

**If you DOUBLE TAP the melee button, the knife swings.

Although personally, I'd also want to be able to pull the knife out and hold it in front of me, like in that mission of Black Ops, "Victor Charlie". That way my knife slashes would be faster.

~RUGGED SAVIOR

Good idea, if that was to come into the game I think they (Treyarch) would have to come up with an idea to make something happen when you tap the melee button once. I have no idea what this would be though. Still, I like it.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:07:17 GMT

ii darkshadow oO wrote:

Panic knifing.
I don't even understand why/how this phrase popped up.
I remember when people used to call it "knifing." Ahh, those were the days.
It's been in the game since...Call of Duty 4? Everyone is accustomed to it.
Everyone has a knife - so it's perfectly balanced.
The knife lunge has already been reduced too.

Well, I'm just going to assume you said knifing, and are putting forth ideas for a new melee system which is fine. In my opinion, I think it would be a great idea to have a two hit system. But first, the player's health would have to be raised to at least 200. This is a fast paced shooter; quick and easy in particular is the reason why many people pick this game up. If I can kill an enemy with only three bullets in two seconds, when I have a clip of maybe 30-40 bullets, then I think a one hit kill knife is just fine.

Two or more hit melee systems works in games like Halo, Gears, Crysis, whatever, because the health system is raised. I simply do not see it being worthwhile in a game like Call of Duty. Also, I dislike the idea of pulling out the knife as well; it would slow things down and no one would use it as you are at a severe disadvantage running with nothing in your hands while enemies can spray you down from any distance.

*sigh* Just because something has been around for a while doesn't justify its existence. COD 4 was not perfect. The knifing has been a problem for years now.

I'm not necessarily opposed to increasing the COD HP, but it would slow the game down considerably. And the reason most people like COD is because it's a fast-paced twitch shooter. Take that away and it's one step closer to killing COD.

The knife is different. A change in the melee system would not kill COD, nor would it slow the gameplay down considerably.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:41:15 GMT

TheBIindSniper wrote:

Here's the best solution

**If you hold down the melee button for .2 something seconds, the knife works. So if you simply tap the button, the knife will not swing. Basically, it's "tap" protection, so you won't swing a knife when you didn't mean it

or

**If you DOUBLE TAP the melee button, the knife swings.

Although personally, I'd also want to be able to pull the knife out and hold it in front of me, like in that mission of Black Ops, "Victor Charlie". That way my knife slashes would be faster.

~RUGGED SAVIOR

I like that idea. The delay makes it so melee isnt the wtf insta death it is now, while still allowing for you to go for stealth kills. Like someone else said, if you had to equip your knife, you would never use it [unless absolutely necessary], meaning no stealth kills.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:32:40 GMT

It's not the fact we have slow reactions, but rather that we fire before they press their knife button and we still get to die. When we press the knife button before them, we still get killed due to 3arc's fake bar connection. Hardcore mode ain't an option since everybody camps their heart out in this mode.

My solution would be a two-hit kill with the regular knife when facing in front of him, and a 1 hit kill when behind him. Ballistic knife kills would always be a 1 hit kill always.

Wouldn't hurt anyone, mright?

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:16:32 GMT

Horizon PE wrote:

For Black Ops, I find the knife to be pretty screwed. I don't want Stopping Power to return, however when you could have it, you got much less knife BS. I find that Treyarch didn't adjust the knife to fit the 'No Stopping Power'. You seem to get knifed through bullets a lot more because you have to shoot more, simple. A slight delay could be implemented in a patch, but I doubt they will.

^Yet another reason why all the guns in BO should recieve a 1.4x damage bonus. It would make the game much more balanced. But 3arc doesn't care about balance, so...

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:18:28 GMT

panic knife a panic knifer. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:08:04 GMT

HK45tactical wrote:

SLAYERDUDE 69 wrote:

TheBIindSniper wrote:

Wait, what? I'm confused here. The feedback I respond to is for the person who created the post. When you create a topic that's valid, then I'll respond to your post, and give you feedback. Here's my feedback to you--you crave attention. Happy?

I think YOU are the one craveing for attention. I just posted my opinnion and you thought you would respond to it thinking your comment would be cool and smart for calling me immature. It seems you are what my previous post stated, a baby.

Somebody get rid of this clown. We are trying to have a discussion about a new knifing system. If you don't have anything to contribute to it, then GTFO.

AHHHHHHHHH!! Big font size!!! Please stop it! Stop being so cool! You make everyone else on the forums look stupid compared to you!

(*SARCASM*)

You really look very stupid yourself.

Here's my contribution. It is a stupid idea because "panic knifing" is all about your reaction time. You can panic knife a panic knifer before he does so to you, well if you are faster than him I guess.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:07:01 GMT

maybe if R3 was a gun butt that dizzied or stunned for a split second, thus giving you time to d-pad down and knife your opponent for the one shot kill...(as opposed to knifing twice)

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:00:20 GMT

SLAYERDUDE 69 wrote:

TheBIindSniper wrote:

Wait, what? I'm confused here. The feedback I respond to is for the person who created the post. When you create a topic that's valid, then I'll respond to your post, and give you feedback. Here's my feedback to you--you crave attention. Happy?

I think YOU are the one craveing for attention. I just posted my opinnion and you thought you would respond to it thinking your comment would be cool and smart for calling me immature. It seems you are what my previous post stated, a baby.

Somebody get rid of this clown. We are trying to have a discussion about a new knifing system. If you don't have anything to contribute to it, then GTFO.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:57:36 GMT

SLAYERDUDE 69 wrote:

I think YOU are the one craveing for attention. I just posted my opinnion and you thought you would respond to it thinking your comment would be cool and smart for calling me immature. It seems you are what my previous post stated, a baby.

This discussion is entirely immature, and I'm mature enough to know that. It's carried out beyond the life span, and it should stop after this. Chill out.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:55:30 GMT

TheBIindSniper wrote:

Wait, what? I'm confused here. The feedback I respond to is for the person who created the post. When you create a topic that's valid, then I'll respond to your post, and give you feedback. Here's my feedback to you--you crave attention. Happy?

I think YOU are the one craveing for attention. I just posted my opinnion and you thought you would respond to it thinking your comment would be cool and smart for calling me immature. It seems you are what my previous post stated, a baby.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:50:52 GMT

SLAYERDUDE 69 wrote:

TheBIindSniper wrote:

SLAYERDUDE 69 wrote:

My Solution:

Stop filling the forums with stupid complain threads.

Thank You.

It's true most people go on the forums to complain. But instead of replying back with something more immature, I'll give my feedback in a positive tone.

~RUGGED SAVIOR

Well that was my feedback, so it seems you are the immature here because you won't accept my feedback. What a baby.

Wait, what? I'm confused here. The feedback I respond to is for the person who created the post. When you create a topic that's valid, then I'll respond to your post, and give you feedback. Here's my feedback to you--you crave attention. Happy?

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:48:49 GMT

ii darkshadow oO wrote:

Panic knifing.
I don't even understand why/how this phrase popped up.
I remember when people used to call it "knifing." Ahh, those were the days.
It's been in the game since...Call of Duty 4? Everyone is accustomed to it.
Everyone has a knife - so it's perfectly balanced.
The knife lunge has already been reduced too.

Well, I'm just going to assume you said knifing, and are putting forth ideas for a new melee system which is fine. In my opinion, I think it would be a great idea to have a two hit system. But first, the player's health would have to be raised to at least 200. This is a fast paced shooter; quick and easy in particular is the reason why many people pick this game up. If I can kill an enemy with only three bullets in two seconds, when I have a clip of maybe 30-40 bullets, then I think a one hit kill knife is just fine.

Two or more hit melee systems works in games like Halo, Gears, Crysis, whatever, because the health system is raised. I simply do not see it being worthwhile in a game like Call of Duty. Also, I dislike the idea of pulling out the knife as well; it would slow things down and no one would use it as you are at a severe disadvantage running with nothing in your hands while enemies can spray you down from any distance.

Like one of the earlier posts said, its a FPS! People should be so reliant on their knife to get a kill. If your creeping behind someone, you can pull out your knife and knife him.

I'm with the OP, if your running around a corner and get knifed, just bad luck right? I think it would make the game alot more "combat-oriented" rather than "Rambo-Oriented". You see someone, you could hit him, which could have effects similar to a concussion nade. You can still hipfire, but your screen is blurry and your moving slower.

I think it would be pretty interesting if they did implement this is the next game. I'm all for this

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:45:21 GMT

TheBIindSniper wrote:

SLAYERDUDE 69 wrote:

My Solution:

Stop filling the forums with stupid complain threads.

Thank You.

It's true most people go on the forums to complain. But instead of replying back with something more immature, I'll give my feedback in a positive tone.

~RUGGED SAVIOR

Well that was my feedback, so it seems you are the immature here because you won't accept my feedback. What a baby.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:42:30 GMT

SLAYERDUDE 69 wrote:

My Solution:

Stop filling the forums with stupid complain threads.

Thank You.

It's true most people go on the forums to complain. But instead of replying back with something more immature, I'll give my feedback in a positive tone.

~RUGGED SAVIOR

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:40:50 GMT

My Solution:

Stop filling the forums with stupid complain threads.

Thank You.

Re: Panic Knifing: A Solution

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:24:28 GMT

Panic knifing.
I don't even understand why/how this phrase popped up.
I remember when people used to call it "knifing." Ahh, those were the days.
It's been in the game since...Call of Duty 4? Everyone is accustomed to it.
Everyone has a knife - so it's perfectly balanced.
The knife lunge has already been reduced too.

Well, I'm just going to assume you said knifing, and are putting forth ideas for a new melee system which is fine. In my opinion, I think it would be a great idea to have a two hit system. But first, the player's health would have to be raised to at least 200. This is a fast paced shooter; quick and easy in particular is the reason why many people pick this game up. If I can kill an enemy with only three bullets in two seconds, when I have a clip of maybe 30-40 bullets, then I think a one hit kill knife is just fine.

Two or more hit melee systems works in games like Halo, Gears, Crysis, whatever, because the health system is raised. I simply do not see it being worthwhile in a game like Call of Duty. Also, I dislike the idea of pulling out the knife as well; it would slow things down and no one would use it as you are at a severe disadvantage running with nothing in your hands while enemies can spray you down from any distance.