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Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:38:43 GMT

Galil is the gun that kills me the 2nd most. Famas is first. I really dont have a problem wit eithier tbh.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:40:18 GMT

all i can say is if you cant beat em join em

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:56:43 GMT

KTPhoenix wrote:

why? do you really think 1 kill is going to be that much of a difference? people are still going to complain about it regardless. not trying to be an ***, just trying to explain the stupid mentality of most of the people who play this game.

RC-XD would harder to achieve if it requires more than 3 kills, that's for sure. If it's harder to get... a lot of people may not be able to get them.

As it is now, the fact that they are commonly used in any payload plus it being a cheap way to get kills for those without flak jacket, bumping up the kills to achieve the RC-XD may have a few players thinking twice and question the value of the killstreak.

Same goes with other killstreaks as well, for example, can you imagine if dogs were 3 kills instead of 11... you know how insane that would be? And people would be definitely be complaining about it.

Unfortunately, the problem that would arise is if the next installment in Treyarch's game has to require more killstreak for RC-XD. People won't accept that either...especially if it does the same amount of damage, but Treyarch was wise to set this particular killstreak so low; so that everyone can get their try at it.

Better to stick with low killstreak numbers, that's easily achievable to everyone, not just for the gifted players.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:47:21 GMT

why? do you really think 1 kill is going to be that much of a difference? people are still going to complain about it regardless. not trying to be an ass, just trying to explain the stupid mentality of most of the people who play this game.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:45:41 GMT

The game is fine just the way it is they just need to make RC-XDs worth 4 kills instead of 3.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:46:06 GMT

ok i just have 1 thing to say to the OP about this, since you think overused could mean its overpowered, does that mean that anyone overusing a certain secondary pistol mean that particular pistol is overpowered?

or how about equipment? does overusing a certain equipment mean its overpowered?

please tell me you see how ridiculous that is.

every weapon in the game is fine. if you find someone using the 74u and you dont like it, either back out or tube them cuz they wont stop using that weapon just cuz you dont like it. if everyone started caring what other people thought of what weapon they used and stopped using those weapons, this multiplayer would not exist. not everyone will use weapons you like, just deal with it like a big boy and play the game.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 25 Dec 2011 00:41:06 GMT

I think MPL beats AK-74u at close range

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 01 Jan 2011 04:37:59 GMT

I have tried every SMG with every attachment and combinations of attachments. None of them stack up to the 74U. The only reason I don't use it is because I am afraid it will be nerfed, and I want to be prepared by getting good with another SMG. The MP5k, Spectre and MPL are decent. I especially like the MPL because of the dual mags. If I knew for a fact that the 74U wasn't going to be changed I would use it in a heartbeat.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 01 Jan 2011 04:17:14 GMT

1. Key word: weaker. The Skorpion is 20 damage at max range. Every player has 100 points of damage.
2. The Uzi, Spectre and MPL all have 32 per mag, the MP5 has 30.
3. The Grenade Launcher is largely ineffective in this game, and can't be used with Warlord. This is important because the 74 has quite a bit of recoil w/o a grip.
4. Nor is it with any other SMG.
5. Dual mags is the only attachment unavailable on any other SMG that I would consider using for this gun, and then only with Warlord and Grip.
6. The MP5 is the default SMG and has much the same stats, apart from reload time and recoil numbers.
7. I'll give you that.
8. The Kiparis, PM63 and Mac 11 all have lower reload times. There's not much of a difference between it and most of the SMG's.
9. The majority of the SMG and AR iron sights are fairly good, with the exception of the M16 and Spectre.

Bad parts

1. Actually, it has fairly good recoil numbers, ensuring that it has mostly vertical recoil.
2. True.

My fix for the 74 is not to nerf it, but to remove the Grip from the MP5, but leaving it with the same recoil numbers and giving it an attachable grip to reduce recoil. Also, it would be a good idea to remove the ability to use Rapid Fire with Grip with Warlord, that's just easy-mode engaged.

The 74 is over used because it is easy to use, easier than most guns. This is a necessary evil to attract more players. If there were less players, everyone would be complaining about being unable to find games and/or local hosts.

1. The Skorpion does less than 20 damage if your hitting them in the leg or arms so it can be more than a 5HK but the 74 is a 5HK from anywhere you shoot someone
2. The three guns you mentioned all take more shots to kill someone and have a faster drop off rate than the 74
3. The problem is that an SMG should never have a GL as an attachment,those are meant for ARs for a reason. For the 500 something kills i got with the 74 on my first prestige, I used grip for about 15 of them and didn't notice a kick reduction so grip is not needed for the 74 at all since i do just fine without it
4. But you can't run a GL with any other SMG and their good for clearing out rooms or killing someone on the other side of a wall
5. True but if your running SoH then extended mags is a much better choice
6. Then why don't people use the MP5 instead???
8. All three of those guns have less ammo in a clip though
9. Well not having a circular iron sight like the M14 is much better for seeing your surroundings. IMO the 74 and AK47 have the best iron sights

Bad Parts

1. I would rather have more vertical recoil than side recoil like the AUG. Also bursting the weapon fixes that problem for the most part

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:33:47 GMT

i use this gun quite abit in this game now i wouldnt consider myself a hardcore gamer i like to say im more a casual gamer

i can understand why people would complain about this gun i get killed alot by it myself when i am using other guns but that is due to the other player being more skilled than i am and i like the fact that its down to skill and not just the guns people use imo

i dont know why ppl are complaining the 74u is not better than ARs at long range its the quality of the player using it and like someone else posted on this thread if you get killed by a guy using a 74 at long range when you are using an AR then you were outplayed

i totally agree with that i dont always kill players at longrange with the 74 but sometimes i do and it depends on the skill of the player im up against and i really like that thats what a game is all about skillful players will always be skillful and have an edge and thats what makes a game competitive and enjoyable imo

the guys who are complaining are probably just complaining because its affecting their k/d ratios or ppl messing up their beloved killstreaks get over it guys and enjoy the game for the good points

also on this subject i do agree that the 74u is overused and some of the attachments could be shared with other SMGs like dual mag and grip but to say the gun is overpowered is overstated imo

whoever the guy is over me who said its more powerful than an M60 ehhhh what planet are you smokin on mate every time im using 74u and i come across a guy with an M60 i get dead unless im behind him or beside him if i come across him face to face i get dead buddy so keep takin the meds and chill

there are some really valid arguements here but i use a variety of guns like the famas galil and i have come across a new favourite the kiparis whish imo is a far better gun than the 74u and the grip attachment is available for it to add to its accuracy i like variety as the maps are various long range maps i use ARs like the famas or the AUG or galil and short rangers i use MP5K 74u or the Kiparis

dont really have time to learn the ins and outs of snipers never liked using them in any games as i am no good with them and dont have the patience to get good with them

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:30:57 GMT

ok, the gun is fine

-"if i slap on warlord and put a grip and RF, its like an assault rifle! OP!!!!" well then use an assault rifle... if im using an assault rifle, ill win cause i have sleight of hand pro on everything... thus my ADS is faster... thus i have an advantage... also im not retarded cause if you get killed by one of these guys, you have to be.

- "it has a 5hk like an assault rifle" NO an assault rifle is like a 3-4 hit kill at longer range. the 74u is weak as HELL at long range. ive gotten 4 hit markers at long range with this gun. even with a grip, it is still weak. accuracy does not equal range. the person you're facing has to be blind, deaf, and dumb to not beat you with an AR at long range.

- "this gun is RIDICULOUS at close range with Steady Aim. WTF??!?!?!"... ok first of all, if you have steady aim, now you dont have a grip AND RF so its not a long range gun anymore.. now its not as versatile as you though now it it? Secondly, ITS AN SMG. THE POINT OF AN SMG IS TO **** AT CLOSE RANGE.. WHICH IT DOES.

- "EVERYONE USES IT!!! IT MUST BE OVERPOWERED!!!!" if i were to average the KDr's of every one who's favorite weapon is the 74u, it would be about .90. I check people's KDr to see who im up against in the lobby and the ones whose favorite weapon was a 74u's KDr was usally below 1. there are alot of people who are good with it but the majority sucks with it. seriously, statistics.

You people are trying to make this gun an assault rifle but it will always come with a sarifice. if you slap on warlord to make a decent long range weapon, you sacrifice the power of an assault rifle and your red perk. If you want your red perk and have it be decent long range, you sacrifice RF which is what makes it powerful up close. slap on a good middle perk and RF and you have a good SMG that isnt good long range, decent mid range, and destroys close range (it also has pretty bad recoil). Just because you can try to turn this gun into an assault rifle, doesnt make it OP. IF YOU WANT AN ASSAULT RIFLE SO BAD, USE ONE. the other SMG's are simply weak.

its a FACT this gun doesnt compare to an AR at long range. it does what is has to. it does what an SMG should do. if its nerfed, then we'll have no good SMG's and this game will be reduced to nothing but assault rifles. it will be boring as hell.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:36:40 GMT

I used warlord pro with a grip and rapid fire, and was outgunning ppl who had the drop on me many times. I luved it at the time, but in retrospect, it's cheap as hayell.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:25:59 GMT

Trainman96 wrote:

The 74 has more powerful than an M60.

I smell a meme.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:24:30 GMT

The 74u is completely overpowered, as are alot of the other SMGs. The 74 has more powerful than an M60, a light machine gun! It even has more penetration than the M60, which is completely ridiculous!

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:14:37 GMT

at the end of the day, its not what gun you use but who it is that is firing it.

you can dominate with just about every gun in this game if you're good enough.

i rather face someone who sucks at aiming but who is using an ak74u rather than someone who is really good at aiming and is using the mp5k because when it comes down to it, that skilled mp5k user is going to hit his target more-so than the 74u user is.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:06:53 GMT

asasa wrote:

You get the MP5K for free and it's stats are the exact same. The only difference is recoil and the lack of a grip attachment. An argument can be made for taking the grip away from the 74u, but that is it.

What? No.

The 74u still has less base recoil... and dual mags.

The fix is to increase the 74us base recoil. All else can stay the same.

If you don't remove the grip attachment, the 74u will remain overused. Unless you increase the recoil so much that it's no longer even viable (which is to say a good bit higher than the MP5Ks).

I completely forgot about dual mags, and honestly neither the 74u or the MPL should have it available unless all SMGs get it (and all SMGs should be able to use it imo).

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:21:18 GMT

You get the MP5K for free and it's stats are the exact same. The only difference is recoil and the lack of a grip attachment. An argument can be made for taking the grip away from the 74u, but that is it.

What? No.

The 74u still has less base recoil... and dual mags.

The fix is to increase the 74us base recoil. All else can stay the same.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:20:02 GMT

revitup360 wrote:

Think about it, if a weapon is used so much more than any other gun then it must be pretty powerful. I have been killed almost 200 more times by the 74 than the next gun up, the galil. I counted how many times i died from the 74 in one game and i ended up dying 7 times by the 74 and 14 times total. Half of my deaths were by that gun which really shouldn't happen when there are about 30 guns to choose from.

Here are a couple of comparisons it has to assault rifles...

1. It is a 5HK at the max range just like most of the weaker AR's

There is not a single AR which is a 5HK at any range.

revitup360 wrote:

2. It has the clip size of AR's

So does the MP5K, which does the same exact damage at the same exact fire rate.

revitup360 wrote:

3. It can have a grenade launcher put on it like AR's

Grenade Launchers are a minor annoyance in this game, and if someone uses a grenade launcher on a 74u then... lol.

revitup360 wrote:

4. It also has the most amount of attachments than any other gun

And? The G11 has the fewest attachments, and people complain about it being overpowered...

revitup360 wrote:

*Here are some more things it has that makes it even better..
5. Your movement is not hindered like an AR

Just like every other SMG. It has a fire rate equivalent to the Commando, Galil, AK47 and Enfield. All 4 of those weapons will beat the 74u at anything but close range. NOTE: This is holdng skill level equal between both players. If you get killed at range with an AR vs. a 74u, you got outplayed. Deal with it.

revitup360 wrote:

6. You unlock it early on

You get the MP5K for free and it's stats are the exact same. The only difference is recoil and the lack of a grip attachment. An argument can be made for taking the grip away from the 74u, but that is it.

revitup360 wrote:

7. It has a tiny crosshair just like SMG's

That's because it's classified as a SMG...

revitup360 wrote:

8. Reload is actually pretty fast

... ok?

revitup360 wrote:

9. Iron sight is a easy one to use

There isn't a single ironsight in this game that isn't easy to use.

revitup360 wrote:

Now lets look at the "Bad" parts about it
1. It has quite a bit of kick (Use grip and it fixes that problem!)

As I said earlier, an argument can be made for removing grip, and that's it.

revitup360 wrote:

2. ... Can't think of any more bad things about it TBH

5HK at range, which is the same as any other SMG.

Slow fire rate, which means it will get beat at range by any other SMG.

It is an even match for a MP5K at close range, and the slow fire rate means it is pretty much an even match with other SMGs at close range. In the time it takes to shoot 3 bullets with a 74u, you can shoot at least 4 with the higher fire rate SMGs.

At least get your stats and facts right.

And before someone comes along, no I do not use the 74u. I used it early on up until my first prestige when I realized it really just wasn't that good in comparison to other guns.

TL;DR: Any gun is overpowered in the right hands. The 74u is overused but not overpowered.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:15:59 GMT

asasa wrote:

tarallo1 wrote:

asasa wrote:

Guns shouldnt perform the same.. they should be near-equally GOOD in the same persons hands.

So what you're saying is that guns shouldn't perform the same...but ALMOST the same? No thanks.

No, **** retard, with different play styles all should excel and be worse somewhere else.

The 74u will always be better than the MP5K. Note: ALWAYS. ALWAYS

The Famas and Aug will 99% of the time be better than the Galil, Commando, and AK.

Now you're just pulling numbers out of your ass, in addition to resorting to name calling.

Your argument has been dismissed.

P.S. The Famas and AUG have much higher damage per second than any of those three guns. Accuracy isn't a big deal because you have to burst fire with any gun if you're at a distance.

Re: Ak-74 overused can mean its overpowered

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:14:08 GMT

revitup360 wrote:

You sir are wrong.
I use the galil and the enfield alot, simply because i feel comfortable playing with them.

Your galil and enfield are 5HKs from long range correct?

No, the Galil does 40-30 damage and the Enfield does 35-25. They are both three-hit kills up close and four-hit kills at a distance.

The AK74u does 40-20 damage - three up close and five at a distance. Statistically the AK74u is not overpowered. There are other weapons that have higher damage per second and equal, if not superior, accuracy (AUG, Famas, Stoner63 to name a few). Everyone uses the gun so people think it's overpowered.