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Re: Spy Planes Are Just a Free 100XP...

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:48:09 GMT

For me spyplanes are useless. Everybody runs with Assassin. I think you get more XP shooting them down then even using them.

Re: Spy Planes Are Just a Free 100XP...

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:19:51 GMT

My suggestion is that if 3+ spy planes are up at the same time it will show ghost users

Re: Spy Planes Are Just a Free 100XP...

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:17:01 GMT

Platinumb wrote:

People don't want to take the time to get Ghost Pro? Funny. You can get the Sentry Gun Challenge just by giving the enemy your Sentry and waiting for it to be set in.

You can't say there is nothing wrong with it when it counters Spy Planes successfully and the Pro effect counters some of the aircraft successfully. Flak can't handle 5 frags. Ghost can handle 50 Spy Planes. Dual Mags ruin Scav's MAIN ability. Lightweight needs a better pro effect. Hardline needs a better pro effect.

In the past, Ghost's brothers and sisters were semi-countered by Stopping Power and Juggernaut. Taking out Stopping Power and Jugg was a great idea, but Ghost should not have been very successful in countering Spy Planes.

People really don't want to take the time to get Ghost Pro. Out of all the Ghost Users I've encountered, I would estimate only 20%, if that, actually have had Ghost Pro. Oh sure, some might be close, but not people actually succeed in getting it before prestiging unless they're really trying for Pro. I've seen people at rank 50 who have told me that they just cannot get that last challenge (Sentry), even by giving away a sentry gun.

But here is the thing:

Spy Plane - 3 Kill Streak

What is so special about a 3 kill streak that it should be able to nullify a perk? And keep in mind, that is without hardline. With Hardline, its every 2 kills. And every new spy plane you throw up increases the sweeping speed. In 6 kills, you could have 3 spy planes, and basically render ghost useless. Combine that with other players, and the perk loses all of its base effect.

The Pro version, as you said, only counters SOME of the other kill streaks. The Sentry Gun and Attack Helicopter. The CG/GS are only countered in the sense that you don't light up like a christmas tree as soon as you spawn. You can still die, and often do because of the game spawning you onto teammates who don't have it.

Your argument against it is just that it makes spy planes useless. Your proposed idea would not only make Ghost useless (or close to it), but also make the Blackbird less useful, as it already counters Ghost. You can't "fix" one problem without creating more. Not in this situation.

Re: Spy Planes Are Just a Free 100XP...

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:02:55 GMT

Kastro187420 wrote:

I just don't see the problem that you are suggesting exists. Spy Plane is my most used Kill Streak.. probably nearing 1k uses at this point. Everytime I use it, I always see at least 3 red dots. I wouldn't use the Spy Plane so much if it wasn't useful. Yes, there will be those odd instances where the entire team or majority run Ghost.

But not many actually have Ghost PRO. There aren't too many people willing to take the time to shoot down 30 kill streaks while using ghost.. and then with the rarity of the Sentry Gun, getting that part of the challenge is down to luck more than anything.

There just really isn't anything wrong with ghost. Keep in mind, Perks and Killstreaks both are just bonuses. A 3 Kill Streak (2 with Hardline) shouldn't be almost as effective as the Blackbird. That would defeat the purpose of the blackbird. The only benefit the BB would have, would be to show the direction of the enemy too.

I think people have just become too reliant on the UAV and don't have very decent situational awareness.

People don't want to take the time to get Ghost Pro? Funny. You can get the Sentry Gun Challenge just by giving the enemy your Sentry and waiting for it to be set in.

You can't say there is nothing wrong with it when it counters Spy Planes successfully and the Pro effect counters some of the aircraft successfully. Flak can't handle 5 frags. Ghost can handle 50 Spy Planes. Dual Mags ruin Scav's MAIN ability. Lightweight needs a better pro effect. Hardline needs a better pro effect.

In the past, Ghost's brothers and sisters were semi-countered by Stopping Power and Juggernaut. Taking out Stopping Power and Jugg was a great idea, but Ghost should not have been very successful in countering Spy Planes.

This is not about spy planes...

This is basically a rant against ghost? is it not?

If your using ghost in the first place, your prolly hindering yourself.

If your complaining about it, you prolly suck.

/thread.

No. This is a an small issue with Ghost making Spy Planes useless. And yes I "prolly" suck.

Re: Spy Planes Are Just a Free 100XP...

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 20:58:18 GMT

I fail to see the point in using Ghost, unless you're using a Sniper rifle. Then it's understandable.

I'd rather go with Scavenger or Lightweight over Ghost with my MPL. It paces up the gameplay and makes it more fun.

When using a Sniper rifle, Ghost is one of the must-have perks in my opinion. Since you most of the time only get one shot and you are easy to kill in CQB, being hidden is a important thing.

One of the reasons is probably that most of the Tier 1 perks are useless. Scavenger is maybe a worthy perk, but perks like Hardline and Flak Jacket are both very dependent on the situation. For example, if you use Flak Jacket in a match where explosives are rare, you've just wasted a perk.

It's the fact that it's useful in many different situations that makes it pretty overpowered.

The reason why Cold Blooded wasn't used much in MW2 was because an 3 killstreak wasn't much use when you could get a 7 killstreak almost just as easily.

And the Spy-Plane is one of the two killstreaks that can help you get the next killstreak. That and the fact that it only requires 3 kills is the problem that makes it used.

Re: Spy Planes Are Just a Free 100XP...

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 20:47:39 GMT

This is not about spy planes...

This is basically a rant against ghost? is it not?

If your using ghost in the first place, your prolly hindering yourself.

If your complaining about it, you prolly suck.

/thread.

Re: Spy Planes Are Just a Free 100XP...

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 20:45:04 GMT

I just don't see the problem that you are suggesting exists. Spy Plane is my most used Kill Streak.. probably nearing 1k uses at this point. Everytime I use it, I always see at least 3 red dots. I wouldn't use the Spy Plane so much if it wasn't useful. Yes, there will be those odd instances where the entire team or majority run Ghost.

But not many actually have Ghost PRO. There aren't too many people willing to take the time to shoot down 30 kill streaks while using ghost.. and then with the rarity of the Sentry Gun, getting that part of the challenge is down to luck more than anything.

There just really isn't anything wrong with ghost. Keep in mind, Perks and Killstreaks both are just bonuses. A 3 Kill Streak (2 with Hardline) shouldn't be almost as effective as the Blackbird. That would defeat the purpose of the blackbird. The only benefit the BB would have, would be to show the direction of the enemy too.

I think people have just become too reliant on the UAV and don't have very decent situational awareness.

Re: Spy Planes Are Just a Free 100XP...

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 20:12:35 GMT

I can easily justify using a perk that isn't ghost any day. I hardly ever use that perk. I tend to favor the ak74u with rapid fire or the MPL with rapid fire and those guns eat ammo. (flame away. Its a balanced gun so **** you) I can also justify lightweight for running flags and getting to objectives faster. Flak jacket has saved my life numerous times and hardline is very useful when u have a spy plane. you don't come across a whole team using ghost very often. I agree with the thing about ghillies for snipers only though. also, I think that they should show the flag runner even if they use ghost. its very annoying to not be able to see the flag runner without a UAV, and letting ghost people keep you in the dark about the flag is stupid. Its not like the flag has ghost! They should show the flag runner at all times if a UAV or black bird is online.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:08:56 GMT

ii darkshadow oO wrote:

And RC-XDs are useless (Flak Jacket), so...maybe no one should use three kill streaks because they're useless.
But wait...I've been running spy plane all week and barely see anyone with ghost.
Now I am confused.

RCs useless? You high? Let a RC come close to you when you have Flak Jacket on...

Me and my clan played an evening of TDM the other night where we all had suppressors/ghost and had warlord pro and 3 decoy grenades. Lots of fun was had, and we didn't lose one game

I bet none of you got +5 deaths either.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 22:08:46 GMT

I usually get about four to five red dots. Ghost is the best perk to use on the first slot, and I don't see why it would be a problem. I know it changes the game completely, but if its such a problem then use it yourself. Its tough to deal with it, I know, but it does have a counter, just purchase the motion sensor; no one runs Hacker, or Hacker Pro. Its good that they put Hacker and Marathon on the same slot, that way people have to decide whether they want to stay off the motion sensor or run.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:42:48 GMT

What about switching the Counter-Spy Plane and RC-XD around in killstreaks?

Then players have a choice in countering the Spy Plane or using a spy plane.

It would be a good tactic for a player (who isn't using ghost) to use the counter spy plane when they are using a different tier 1 perk other than ghost.

Also, motion sensors are key in locating ghost players. It's underused compared to the claymore.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:27:15 GMT

Me and my clan played an evening of TDM the other night where we all had suppressors/ghost and had warlord pro and 3 decoy grenades. Lots of fun was had, and we didn't lose one game

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:22:07 GMT

ii darkshadow oO wrote:

And RC-XDs are useless (Flak Jacket), so...maybe no one should use three kill streaks because they're useless.
But wait...I've been running spy plane all week and barely see anyone with ghost.
Now I am confused.

Same here. But I still use RC-XD because you can see the person wearing the jacket and avoid them.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:09:33 GMT

And RC-XDs are useless (Flak Jacket), so...maybe no one should use three kill streaks because they're useless.
But wait...I've been running spy plane all week and barely see anyone with ghost.
Now I am confused.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 20:06:03 GMT

browniepoints93 wrote:

Gotta love those Ghost + 74u people in Domination that don't cap flags! Ultimate team players!

Seriously the Ghost spam in this game is just astounding. It's to the point where using a C-UAV is more beneficial to your team then using a regular UAV. I'd rather have Stopping Power and Jugg back rather than atleast 3 people a game camping in a corner with their Ghost and silenced 74u/Galil.

I disagree. i don't want jugg back because run n' gunners wil spam that. Atleast with ghost you can just avoid campers. Also, it depends on what game you're playing. S&D people use it alot so when they get a kill they don't give thier position to the enemy team. but in an obective based game w/ respawning, they do it to stay hiddn while attacking and defending objectives, which seems fair to me. As for UAVs, if you feel they are useless, then use a different killstreak.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:52:01 GMT

Gotta love those Ghost + 74u people in Domination that don't cap flags! Ultimate team players!

Seriously the Ghost spam in this game is just astounding. It's to the point where using a C-UAV is more beneficial to your team then using a regular UAV. I'd rather have Stopping Power and Jugg back rather than atleast 3 people a game camping in a corner with their Ghost and silenced 74u/Galil.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:50:55 GMT

I agree and disagree.
I agree that a lot of people use it, and it is annoying when a UAV only shows like 2 people. But I don't think anything needs to be changed to Ghost. I think they should undo the patch for Hardline and then you'll hardly see any Ghost people anymore. I just now started using it because Hardline is dumb now. And I can get more kills (and higher kill streaks) using Ghost than Hardline. Fix Hardline, fix Ghost.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:42:45 GMT

Platinumb wrote:

In blue: I don't know what Xbox deals with, but you NEVER see a sniper with Ghost and if you do, he is not using Ghost. No one takes out Ks with Ghost since it is not going to hide you from anything but the Spys. The Pro users make it a 74u Warlord class with RF and Grip making it very annoying. I don't rely on the UAV as much, but it is supportive to your blind teammates that will help you in the end. It also helps build more air support to keep the enemy pinned down and off of HQs, B flags, your bomb sites, etc. I never use Spys after level 22 and just use higher killstreaks since Spys will not give as much recon as it used to..

Are you on PS3 or Xbox? I'm on PS3. I've always used UAV Jammer/Cold Blooded/Ghost for sniping. I find it to be quite useful, especially in those instances where the enemy keeps spamming their UAV every 30 seconds. The goal of a sniper is to remain hidden, so if you're exposed on the UAV, you aren't going to last long.

I'm sure there alot of Rapid Fire/Gripped AK74's utilizing Ghost, but I'd say the problem with that is more of the weapon than the perk, since no matter the perk set-up, its going to be a strong one. They could just as easily be utilizing Hardline to pull killstreaks even quicker than they would normally.

When it comes to your teammates, you'll be doing them a favor by helping them stop relying on their UAV as much. By all means, use the UAV when you can. Just don't make the mistake of assuming "No Red Dot = No Enemy". Players like me exploit that line of thinking far too often. My stealth kit relies on Rushing the enemy spawn and dropping a Tac Insert down near it, and then maintaining the pressure. Far too often people run right by me while I'm dropping my Tac because they assume no one is there.

The main thing I'm trying to get across is, Spy Planes are only useless if you don't utilize them. I use the Spy Plane all the time. Its the one killstreak that I never change. It hasn't ceased to be useful yet. I'm not sure what game modes you are playing that you find it useless in, but for me, in Domination and TDM, Ghost isn't much of an issue except in the hands of a skilled player.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:37:11 GMT

Better to have lots of players using Ghost(which is rarely used,I usually see 4-5 dots),than to be spammed with 2 KS RC-XD, the most annoying killstreak reward created.

Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:11:27 GMT

Kastro187420 wrote:

Platinumb wrote:

In Mw2, I would go Cold-Blooded sometimes and 8/10 I would lose to a skilled player because of his Stopping Power and in other CoD games it would be both Jugg and SP.

People didn't COMPLAIN about it until now when no one can't find something to counter it.

Those aren't Counters to UAV Jammer/Cold Blooded. Stopping Power and Juggernaut didn't counter it. It simply meant that if you seen them, you could kill them a little quicker, or take a little extra damage. But you still had to find them first. You weren't counting their perk with yours. Just being in the same tier doesn't make it a counter.
The Counter to Ghost is your Motion Sensor, or your sense while playing. I have no trouble killing players who utilize ghost. Yes, I've been killed by Ghost Players myself, but only when I became too reliant on the UAV. When I play, I (almost) never assume that a lack of a red dot means there is no enemy.

I would also suggest utilizing the Decoy Grenades to flush out a Ghost User who is waiting.

In the end, it comes down to YOU as a player, to counter the perk. You don't need another perk to counter it when its easy enough already.

@Mattbl - Ghost is for more than just Camping/Sniping. Many people such as myself utilize it for Anti-Air, and for Flanking/Stealth. There is no reason to mess with Ghost at all. People need to just quit relying so much on their UAV.

Motion Sensors are good until you get Hackers and sense I move around alot, they will be useless. They are more useful for players holding down a specific area.

In red: You didn't see many people use Cold Blooded because you had Stopping Power. If IW took it out through a patch, you would see alot of Cold Blooded users. Stopping Power and Jugg meant you will have an advantage during gun battles. Cold Blooded/UAV Jammer meant that you is probably going to flank around instead of going in gun fights head-on.

In blue: I don't know what Xbox deals with, but you NEVER see a sniper with Ghost and if you do, he is not using Ghost. No one takes out Ks with Ghost since it is not going to hide you from anything but the Spys. The Pro users make it a 74u Warlord class with RF and Grip making it very annoying. I don't rely on the UAV as much, but it is supportive to your blind teammates that will help you in the end. It also helps build more air support to keep the enemy pinned down and off of HQs, B flags, your bomb sites, etc. I never use Spys after level 22 and just use higher killstreaks since Spys will not give as much recon as it used to.

@Pwnage/MMartin Killstreaks in Mw2 dominated because of the power they had and how quickly they took out their targets especially the Harrier. The community probably wanted a CoD with less Ks, but I just wanted them to be dumbed down and they were. Now the Helis have one flare and not every Ks has to Air Support.

TA seem to have gotten onto Spys as well since it is now Camo/UAV Jammer wth no direct counter to Ghost with it only having remedies that people are telling to use which don't really help at all.

98.99% of Ghost users are using it to hide in buildings, in the back of the maps, hiding in a corner with a claymore in some random door weilding a 74u that is not supppressed. All of the ones using it for this purpose are ignoring the objective. More like the k/d protector perk.