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Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:08:50 GMT

Well I've came back after a month of revision and wow! The hit detection's actually pretty near to perfect now! The only thing I've noticed is that sometimes I get way more hitmarkers than it should take to kill (i.e 5 hitmarkers with red dot ACR through no materials).

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 11 May 2012 23:01:59 GMT

maccabi wrote:

G IH A IN ID II wrote:

pulling69 wrote:

Here is an odd one: before I started a match my K/D was 1.210. The match I went 21-21, afterthe match my K/D dropped to 1.209. How the hell is that possible? Just another WTF thing going on with this game....

21-21 is a 1.0 K/D ratio. This is lower than your current KDR so your KDR dropped. Nothing WTF about this, just mathematics working.

Cheers,

G IH A IN ID II
thats not really mathematics working its a demonstration of a very wierd stat counting system you have used..

So basically ending a game with no net gain or net loss gives you a negative outcome in your kdr? ermmm

by that measure you'd need to constantly beat your kdr to increase your kdr.. you sure thats right?

Yes of course it's right. Example: You have 100 kills and 10 deaths overall = 10KD

You get 21 kills and 21 deaths, making you 121-31 = 3.9KD

That's simple maths come on.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 01 May 2012 22:15:21 GMT

rankismet wrote:

Moopus wrote:

rankismet wrote:

manbearpig862 wrote:

What is one advantage the mp5 has over the pp90?

The pp90 has a much higher rof, has a larger clip, is much more accurate, and kill enemies at same time rate as the mp5 at long range, but being much more accurate, it still has a large advantage over the mp5 at long range, what am I missing?

The weapon balancing for cod is a joke, either people don't care or they just don't know what they are doing, which one is it?

Considering neither are the best SMG... balance seems to be okay.

Jeebus.

PP90 > All others

PP90 with Rapid Fire will dominate the MP7 in almost every situation, excluding long range. It's TTK is crazy, and it's RoF and clip are generous.

Best SMG =/= PP90.

#justsayin

PP90 is hands down the best for TTK in close quarters situations, for mid range there's the UMP and P90 and for long range there's the MP7. So if you're full on rushing go for a PP, if you're rushing but being defensive too then go for a UMP or P90 and for a sniper rifle go for the MP7.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 01 May 2012 16:54:45 GMT

Good job on the Dead Man's Hand nerf Ghandi, I'm certain everybody will appreciate it, especially me.

It would be good if you could respond to all the discussions going on about the spawning system in MW3.

Natty.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:26:01 GMT

I think that's a really arrogant way to look at it but I'm not going to argue with it, you're allowed to have your opinion.

iif0xh0undii wrote:

kastro187420 wrote:

iif0xh0undii wrote:

Yes Natty, I play in a party. I will however not accept your challenge. You're asking me to play a high-risk, high-reward style that does not nescesarily cater to the goal of the game.

I agree to disagree here. I don't find the spawns to be an issue. If you don't have control of the map, then of course there will be issues. I've stated that they can be funky, but I don't experience game breaking issues there.

I noticed in an earlier post you mentioned playing Kill Confirmed. That game mode has some of the worst spawns in the game. Your experience however is in the minority, for the simple fact that the majority of players do not play in a large party. The average is 1-2 people, sometimes 2-3. The only time you really see anything beyond that is typically S&D or Headquarters.

You claim the spawn system is only really an issue if you lack map control, and yet, the average player cannot maintain map control because the average player does not play in a full party, or typically even half a party.

Additionally, a functioning spawn system should not be dependant on consistently playing with friends and spawn trapping the enemy. A functioning spawn system would function regardless of game mode type and party numbers. This is not the case, and this is why you will not accept that challenge, even for a few matches.

If you wish to see the typical experience and comment on the average experience, then you need to play like the average player, and experience the gameplay of the average player. It's like the players who say nothing is wrong with the shotguns, but never use them. They'll happily claim nothing is wrong, but when challenged to use them, they back away from the challenge citing numerous reasons why they don't want to.

You don't even have to rush. Go into Kill Confirmed without a party. Play just 5 matches, with a play style of your choice. I guarantee you'll come away with a different opinion.

I will not accept the challenge because I find it absolutely ridiculous to play a team oriented gametype by myself. I also believe that the so called "average player" is at fault for not joining up with friends. This is a very social game and we have a service which makes finding peers and joining clans fairly easy. Not to mention the plethora of additional social outlets that exist.

The spawn system should be based on teams, not individuals. I believe that the spawn logic is correct in spawning users away from their original spawn and to the new one if the enemy has pressed evenly in. Does this favor premades? Yes. Is it the developers fault if someone wants to rambo in and throw the spawns into chaos? Absolutely not.

In my experiences, we have captured the A flag on Mission and the enemy has spawned around us at C, but not on top of us. Seldom do I ever have someone spawn directly behind me as documented by some people. Neither do I spawn directly in front of a kill lane.

I'd also like to state that I have not spoken on or about the average person's experience till now. I have only spoken of my own experiences which were discounted as lies and luck. If you follow this conversation from the beginning of my post till now, you can see what I mean.

Really, this is ridiculous.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:46:24 GMT

Thank you, I was starting to lose faith in the intelligence of the people on this forum!

kastro187420 wrote:

iif0xh0undii wrote:

Yes Natty, I play in a party. I will however not accept your challenge. You're asking me to play a high-risk, high-reward style that does not nescesarily cater to the goal of the game.

I agree to disagree here. I don't find the spawns to be an issue. If you don't have control of the map, then of course there will be issues. I've stated that they can be funky, but I don't experience game breaking issues there.

I noticed in an earlier post you mentioned playing Kill Confirmed. That game mode has some of the worst spawns in the game. Your experience however is in the minority, for the simple fact that the majority of players do not play in a large party. The average is 1-2 people, sometimes 2-3. The only time you really see anything beyond that is typically S&D or Headquarters.

You claim the spawn system is only really an issue if you lack map control, and yet, the average player cannot maintain map control because the average player does not play in a full party, or typically even half a party.

Additionally, a functioning spawn system should not be dependant on consistently playing with friends and spawn trapping the enemy. A functioning spawn system would function regardless of game mode type and party numbers. This is not the case, and this is why you will not accept that challenge, even for a few matches.

If you wish to see the typical experience and comment on the average experience, then you need to play like the average player, and experience the gameplay of the average player. It's like the players who say nothing is wrong with the shotguns, but never use them. They'll happily claim nothing is wrong, but when challenged to use them, they back away from the challenge citing numerous reasons why they don't want to.

You don't even have to rush. Go into Kill Confirmed without a party. Play just 5 matches, with a play style of your choice. I guarantee you'll come away with a different opinion.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:49:47 GMT

rankismet wrote:

NattyFTW wrote:

rankismet wrote:

NattyFTW wrote:

I couldn't help but notice you said 'we lose control', so I'll assume you play in a party.

So now parties are an issue? Jeebus.

Make friends and low an behold... you could be in a full party, too.

Don't lke teams in a team based game...

... Go play FFA.
Funny you say that,

I have a lot of friends on Xbox but unfortunately I don't control them and they sometimes do other things such as going outside. If you played FFA you would see that the spawns are much, much worse than domination (by maybe 3 or 4 times).

Also when did I say parties were an issue? I can easily break out of spawntraps that your average 0.6kd player would stuggle to get out of. I think you'll find I said parties can easily play the spawn system, which has gone on for years and I had no problem with as in past games it took skill and teamwork to play the spawn system this much; in MW3 the fact that revenge spawns exist just make it even easier for teams to play the spawns.

If you read my post properly you would see that the problem I was refering to was the fact that a very large proportion of the player base of CoD play on their own, that is a fact, whether you like it or not. When you play on your own and stop camping in your spawn (such as myself) you will see that the spawns in this game are a very serious and real issue, greater than the issue of lag compensation.

Please know what you're on about before posting troll comments such as '... Go play FFA.'

Natty.

Simples...

... generalizations of "most" coupled with yanked out the bum percenatges topped off with a healthy dose of "no talent", "ditch your party", and " rush, yes no camping or headglitching with a type." set my teeth on edge.

The chaotic spawns are a result of the over emphasis of the payback system which teams can limit by controlling the map. A tactic you you seem the think is spawn trapping... and it's not. It's just map control... and you can prevent the other squad from spawning behind you.

That large player base that plays on their own... whinges about spawns... not noticing that the very nature of playing the game on their own and chicken heading to and fro is one the main reasons the spawns yin and yang like a kid in an ice cream store torn between chocolate and vanilla. So... when no one works together in a team based game... spawns flip like mad... and everyone blames the game.

And you seemed to have an issue with teams since Fox commented on his game experience by playing with a squad...

... something that makes the game more fun than playing with 5 other random, self absorbed, lone wolfs in a team environment.

Again... feel free to play FFA.

No teams there.

The fact you even mention FFA shows me you are clueless, if you played it for 5 minutes you would see how shockingly bad the spawns in that gametype are.

No I don't have an issue with teams, you're putting words into my mouth. I said that Fox only plays with teams, therefore not experiencing what such a vast portion of the community faces, as you have a problem with estimates I will not try and give a figure.

The best games support multiple styles of play and if I want to rush I should be able to do this without the enemy that I just killed respawning behind me, it's as simple as that. If you disagree then you disagree.

Natty.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:41:45 GMT

rankismet wrote:

NattyFTW wrote:

I couldn't help but notice you said 'we lose control', so I'll assume you play in a party.

So now parties are an issue? Jeebus.

Make friends and low an behold... you could be in a full party, too.

Don't lke teams in a team based game...

... Go play FFA.

Funny you say that,

I have a lot of friends on Xbox but unfortunately I don't control them and they sometimes do other things such as going outside. If you played FFA you would see that the spawns are much, much worse than domination (by maybe 3 or 4 times).

Also when did I say parties were an issue? I can easily break out of spawntraps that your average 0.6kd player would stuggle to get out of. I think you'll find I said parties can easily play the spawn system, which has gone on for years and I had no problem with as in past games it took skill and teamwork to play the spawn system this much; in MW3 the fact that revenge spawns exist just make it even easier for teams to play the spawns.

If you read my post properly you would see that the problem I was refering to was the fact that a very large proportion of the player base of CoD play on their own, that is a fact, whether you like it or not. When you play on your own and stop camping in your spawn (such as myself) you will see that the spawns in this game are a very serious and real issue, greater than the issue of lag compensation.

Please know what you're on about before posting troll comments such as '... Go play FFA.'

Natty.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:20:04 GMT

iif0xh0undii wrote:

NattyFTW wrote:

iif0xh0undii wrote:

Spawns can be funky, but for the most part I don't have an issue with them. I play mostly domination and kill confirmed. We seldom have an issue with spawning unless we're tac inserting incorrectly or we're hosting an 18 player custom match on the smallest maps possible.

You're either lying or ridiculously lucky, all that happens to me is revenge spawns. If there's some formula you know of to prevent this please share it.

I find it rather disheartening that my peers interpret my experiences as either an outright lie or a matter of luck. They are neither. Spawns remain fine unless we lose control of the map and the enemy breaches our "home" flag (A or C) or two or more people on our team become overzealous and push into their home flag. Thus offsetting the balance of our spawn control.

You may see it that way, but everybody else who plays the game knows the spawns are completely out of control.

I couldn't help but notice you said 'we lose control', so I'll assume you play in a party. I hate to break it to you but spawn trapping in a party doesn't require talent, especially against randoms, it's even easier to spawn trap in domination.

I don't have access to figures, but I'll estimate ~50% of players never play in parties, and of the ~50% that do, only about 15% actually play to win and have stratergies to control spawns such as your party.

My challenge to you is that you ditch your party for 2/3 hours, rush, yes no camping or headglitching with a type. Then post the results on YouTube. I'm sure it would make for an interesting watch.

Natty.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:12:17 GMT

iif0xh0undii wrote:

Spawns can be funky, but for the most part I don't have an issue with them. I play mostly domination and kill confirmed. We seldom have an issue with spawning unless we're tac inserting incorrectly or we're hosting an 18 player custom match on the smallest maps possible.

You're either lying or ridiculously lucky, all that happens to me is revenge spawns. If there's some formula you know of to prevent this please share it.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:03:56 GMT

Ghandi,

Wouldn't it make sense to add a 'debugging panel' that we could access (although this would be difficult to access) which would allow us options such as ping values, who is host and more. You could do this by pressing back/select when on the options menu with an alert appearing (do this thrice like prestiging to eliminate dumb people enabling it). You're now catering to everybody with almost no pain whatsoever.

Thank me later.

Natty.

G IH A IN ID II wrote:

kastro187420 wrote:

G IH A IN ID II wrote:

The reason bars are used is because the mass market have no concept of ping. Bars are used since they are similar to mobile phone signal indicators and, therefore, understood by even the most casual consumer, or that's the theory.

Additionally, the bars prevent minute delta ping hunting behaviour which leads to repetetive lobby exit and re-entry which isn't good for matchmaking speed.

Cheers,

G IH A IN ID II

Given the fact that there are so many people alledgely throttling their connection, to the point where you no longer feel it's "uncommon", maybe you guys understestimate the competance of the average user?

What's wrong however, with giving us the OPTION to display numerical values? Making it optional (default to bars if you want) gives everyone the ability to decide for themselves what is more understandable.

In terms of being worried about habitual entering/exiting to find a good ping... well, that's a side effect of constantly being thrown into terrible quality matches. People do that all the time already. If they end up as host, if their connection is lower than 3 bars (even if their connection is 3+, but the match is still too laggy), there are so many reasons that people enter and exit the lobby, that ping should the least of your worry in terms of why people are leaving.

Not allowing us to make informed decisions on the basis that people might leave the match if they found out how bad it actually is, is frankly ridiculous. We get that you're catering to less intelligent players, and that the majority of your money comes from people making uninformed decisions, but I think you underestimate the number of intelligent people out there wanting to be able to make informed decisions that play the game.
I am only going to comment on the sentence that begins "We get that you're catering to less intelligent players..." because I want to totally distance myself and IW from this remark. I merely suggested that ping, like MTUs, PDV, hops, DMZs or port forwarding, for example, was not a concept many of our mass market players would be familiar with. To be 100% clear this was in no way meant as an indictment of anyone's intelligence. In my opinion knowledge of these concepts is evidence of domain understanding only.

G IH A IN ID II

Now I can sleep; a little less irate.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:46:26 GMT

Ghandi,

With all due respect, It's been 5 months and host lag still isn't sorted, this is exclusively the reason that people are throttling their connections making the game play worse than it previously did. Although hit detection isn't much of an issue for me after all of the patches it clearly is for some people. I do however have massive issues when I am host, which is a lot of the time, all it does is fustrate you and I've nearly tampered with my conn multiple times but I've decided not to so far.

It boils down to either, fix host disadvantage or the problem of throttling with only get worse, it's that simple.

Also as somebody said earlier host advantage is actually a positive for all involved. People with disadvantage want to get an advantage so therefore upgrade their internet increasing the amount of good hosts that everyone can benefit from, not just the host. I'd be interested to hear why Infinity Ward do not agree with this hypothesis.

Natty.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 03:13:40 GMT

G IH A IN ID II wrote:

The spawn system has been assigned a lower priority than the above issues for the time being.

Cheers,

G IH A IN ID II

Ghandi,

You say that the spawns on MW3 are not currently a high priority for your team. April fools day has been and went.

Don't take this personally, but if this is a low priority to you then it's clear that you guys haven't even played your own game.

It's been over 4 months and lag still hasn't been dealt with it, although it can be made better with good code it's very difficult because of the unpredictable nature of P2P networking. Why don't you try and focus on things that have 100% success rates and will make the game better than if you solely focused all your efforts on dealing with lag (I know this is not the case with IW but it sure isn't far off).

Some ideas include:

Better spawn system: Flip spawn entirely if too many enemies are in an area, multiple friendlies dying in a singular spawn point means a switch, exploding barrels in spawn trigger negative spawn chance, no spawning friendlies in a certain radius of enemies, spawning players far away from the person they got killed by in FFA wherever it is viable, I think some of these are implemented in MW3, although not very well.

Bigger spray on akimbo Machine Pistols.

Better balance of deathstreaks.

These are just a few ideas but I'm sure MW3 could be made much better if you shifted your attention onto issues other than lag, spawns in-particularly.

Would be good to get a response to this,

Natty.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:23:15 GMT

I've got this issue too, as far as I can tell when there's lag the game tries to slow the game down to compensate and this causes this, anybody sure about this?

esmorgue wrote:

dedicatedserversplease wrote:

ChicoEsquela wrote:

I'm almost completely gimped lately. In addition to all the other symptoms mentioned so many times before now sometimes my weapon just stops firing for a split second (and no, i'm not out of ammo, it starts firing again).
That is happening to me too. That is why I said the game stutters. This game is garbage now, made by clueless people.
I also have this issue. Its like using say the ACR....somehoow turns into a RF MK14.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:52:13 GMT

I've played a few matches after the patch and the lag is noticeably worse I'm afraid, it feels like when the game first came out, this is on a constant 4 bar.

Spawns are still just as horrible which is a bigger issue than the lag imo. Four people spawned next to me on Underground on a 14 gun streak.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 17:42:29 GMT

Ghandi,

I sent you a message almost a month ago, you promised a response but still haven't got back to me, I removed the video from my vault and the clip from YouTube because it feels like you don't really care anymore.

Anyhow, why are the spawns not higher priority than lag, they are an absolute joke, every other spawn is bad, do you play your own game as I know for a fact this does not just affect me.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:07:07 GMT

Ghandi,

Where is our spawn update, it's been over 3 months since the game came out and all we've had is 'we're working on it', 'we're looking into it' and all the other lame excuses, when do we actually get this patch? I seem to spawn everywhere and anywhere as long as it's right next to an enemy.

Also I sent you a PM almost 3 weeks ago that still hasn't been responded to. Getting pretty ridiculous now.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:24:46 GMT

Ghandi,

No disrespect but your team has been discussing spawn patches for about 3 months now. Actions speak louder than words if you see what I'm getting at.

Also could you look at that PM, it's been over 2 weeks now I think.

Natty.

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 01:30:48 GMT

Ghandi, the TU is out, where is the nerf to akimbos? :/

Re: Modern Warfare 3 Title Update and Hot Fix Notes

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:13:43 GMT

Ghandi,

How to you plan to modify the akimbo MPs?