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donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:24:00 GMT

Let me see if I have this right... They are technically giving us "ranked dedicated servers" just as they promised.... however we can't rent or run them (so no control over the server, no admins) and there is no server browser (matchmaking only)

So the 2 most important things that define what "ranked dedicated servers" means, have been removed.

There will be no admins to kick troublemakers or hackers. They claim to have a new anti-cheat that will stop cheating (a lie they used for MW2) and supposedly they are hiring an "administrative team" to monitor the servers and ban hackers (which only a complete fool would believe)

There will be no server browser, no ability to join a game by map or ping, no ability to see who is in the server prior to joining, etc. (The #1 most vital feature of dedicated servers)

Just as I predicted when they stated "BO2 will have ranked dedicated servers" they are not true dedicated servers. it will be EXACTLY like MW2/MW3. Every game full of troublemakers, teamkillers, children screaming profanity, hate speech, etc, and absolutely zero control over where you play/who you play with.

BO2 is dead before it even launches.

R.I.P. Call of Duty

Re: well there be a bata?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:22:04 GMT

They could do a beta (quite easily in fact)

However they have instead chosen to blatantly lie and claim that it would take them FOUR YEARS to make a beta....

4 years to make a beta.... yet the ENTIRE GAME is made in LESS than TWO years....

With such outrageous lies about the subject, I'd say it's highly unlikely we will ever see a beta for CoD again.

Re: Why are people complaining about the game already sooo much if the game isn't out yet ...

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:40:06 GMT

The reason for the "complaining" is because it is easy to see the horrible design decisions they're making.

The best example is how they claim to be against quickscoping, yet there are SEVERAL changes that not only punish proper snipers, but make it MUCH easier for quickscopers...

People claim that it's more "balanced" yet it's funny how their "balance" does absolutely NOTHING to hinder run n gun playstyles (in fact they're helped) while defensive, sniping, and stealth, playstyles are severely hampered.

Hell the "camping" they're trying to "balance" will also be easier than ever... Millimeter scanner - see enemies through walls, Awareness - hear cold blooded users that don't show on scanner, Flak Jacket - immune to being bombed out of their spot, Shield - protection for jumpshotters and people who see them on UAV... etc. IF I do get BO2 I will make a dedicated camping class and will switch my entire playstyle to that of a hardcore camper just to prove their change to ghost does NOTHING to harm campers.

Not to mention that the change to ghost, in addition to the perk that renders CUAV completely 100% useless means that UAV will be FAR stronger in BO2 than it has been in any past CoD title. (sure it's more kills to get, but you earn them with points also so in fact it's EASIER)

The return of the SR71 type killstreak (Vsat) and the hard wired perk that renders CUAV useless also means that Vsat will not have a counter. - More red dots for the kiddies to chase.

It's just too easy to see how they're dumbing the game down for the idiotic children who scream and cry "waaah my UAV isn't showing me red dots, Ghost is OP" or "waaah I can't run around like an idiot without getting shot.... everyone must be camping"

In short they're catering exclusively to the Xbox 360 audience, which consists primarily of children 6-18, and they are completely removing the competitive aspect, along with the requirement of skill.

Now those happy with the change (aka those who suck at the game) will say I am just complaining because I suck or won't be able to adapt blah blah blah.... The thing is I very VERY rarely end a game with a negative kdr, and am complaining because BO2 will make it EASIER for me.

Re: Quickscope in the MP trailer?

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:25:46 GMT

Don't bother complaining about quickscoping...

Treyarch officially promotes quickscoping and wants all snipers to be quickscopers.

^^This is a 100% FACT that is proven by their change to the ghost perk... Now proper snipers (who only move after getting a kill or two, and thus are stationary 80% of the match) are PUNISHED by having a completely useless perk.

Quickscopers are not affected by the change to ghost at all... so obviously Treyarch is officially stating that they want ALL snipers to be quickscopers...

CoD is not a competitive franchise anymore, it's been stripped down into a hand holding shooter designed primarily for children.

Re: What do you think BLK OPS II multi player will be ?

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:56:14 GMT

Film_Not_Rated wrote:

People in the past have used Ghost/Assassin and used the play style of run and gunning.

Currently its set for 5 seconds standing still before you show up on the map, then after you move i'm sure you will disappear, though they haven't stated that yet.

Yeah UAVs are annoying, and they should be higher. Or have a personal UAV killstreak/scorestreak which is lower, then a team one.

Campers will indeed keep camping, will they have an easier time? I don't know. The sight where you can see through things takes a couple of seconds per scan, and can't be picked up by the perk Coldblood so it's not going to be that big of a problem.

Footsteps won't matter in anything but Search.

Yes people in the past have used ghost for run n gun classes... the difference is they knew for 100% fact that they were invisible to UAV if they stopped to reload, call in a killstreak, hack enemy equipment, etc. Now they won't.

It doesn't matter if it's set for 5 seconds or 10 seconds. It is impossible to keep accurate track of time with an internal count. You could count to 4 and move and not know if your count was accurate enough. So now a ghost user will never really know if he's pinging on enemy UAV or not unless they never stop moving. (Proper snipers are also still punished as they're not supposed to be moving around all the time)

UAV's were annoying, but one could always run the stealth perk to counter them. Not ONE person complained about the stealth perk until BO introduced a way to counter it completely. (SR71) Suddenly people start to complain that their UAV's are useless and that ghost is overpowered...

Campers will be able to see everyone except the cold blooded users, who they will be able to hear with awareness. They won't be able to be flushed out with explosives (flak jacket) they can defend themselves from jumpshotting type tactics with the shield... yeah they will have a REALLY easy time in BO2..

To say footsteps only matter in S&D is ridiculous. I play HC CTF almost exclusively, with some HC DEM and HC DOM occasionally mixed in. I can say for a 100% fact that silent footsteps are VERY important in every gametype, and can make it VERY easy for anyone with a decent headset to know EXACTLY where non DS users are.

Re: What will probably happen to Ghost..

donotreply@activision.com — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:24:35 GMT

I love how the common responses are either use CUAV or shoot it down...

There is a dedicated perk to counter CUAV entirely, so CUAV will be completely useless.

Proper snipers cannot run stingers as secondaries, thus they are punished by having a useless perk. (Treyarch officially promotes quickscoping and wants all snipers to quicksope)

I believe what will happen to ghost is that it will be the #1 most underused perk in the entire CoD franchise (which previously was eavesdrop from CoD4) because it will be completely 100% useless for what it is intended for, stealth gameplay.

It doesn't matter how many times they 'tweak' the time limit before you show, the only 'tweak' they could do that would 'fix' it would be to make it completely 100% immune to UAV like it has been in EVERY single CoD title. They have the Vsat (SR71 type) killstreak returning to counter ghost entirely, PLUS as it was already mentioned the perk was split into THREE..

They won't be fixing it though because they want to cater primarily to the child audience on Xbox 360. They are the ones who generally suck at the game and spend all their time crying about OP perks and OP weapons. So since Xbox 360 is their biggest audience, and the majority of 360 CoD players are children (ages 6-18) they are the ones Treyarch is listening to.

As a result Black Ops 2 is going to be BY FAR the easiest game in the CoD franchise, if not the easiest FPS shooter ever made.

Re: Is Sniping Ruined?

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 22:02:26 GMT

nicedrewishfela wrote:

David Vonderhaar ‏@DavidVonderhaar
I'm not sure I believe in UAV spam. We made them easier than ever to find, destroy, and we give you Score for it. +
David Vonderhaar ‏@DavidVonderhaar
If you can't be bothered to shoot them down that's a you problem.

Vahn summed it up quite nicely.

He did indeed, that comment quite nicely sums up how Treyarch is in fact in FULL support of quickscoping!

Proper snipers use a sniper rifle, and pistol. If a sniper has a stinger as a secondary, then their ONLY recourse while on the move (which remember they now MUST do to remain off the UAV) is to QUICKSCOPE!!!

Shooting a UAV down with a sniper rifle or pistol is just plain idiotic, would take forever, and is a total waste of ammo.

Yet I believe it was Vahn himself that said that they were against quickscoping..... yet from that comment he CLEARLY expects snipers to run stingers as secondaries and QUICKSCOPE with their sniper rifle!

Just shows how completely idiotic they actually are.

Re: Abolished IWnet

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 15:00:29 GMT

Actually Treynet is Treyarch's P2P system.

It was used in BO on consoles (just like IWnet was for MW2 & MW3) and will be used in BO2.

What's not clear is whether or not it will be on PC alongside ranked dedi's... if so there is a HIGH chance that the ranked dedi's will be stripped of features and/or stupidly locked down to make the alternative (P2P) more desirable.

Whether you like it or not, there is a big chance that P2P will be on BO2 alongside ranked dedi's. They tried unranked dedi's with P2P in MW3, and it failed because the dedi's were unranked... It is perfectly logical to think they could possibly try P2P with ranked dedi's in BO2. (and don't give the tired old that was IW this is Treyarch response because they are both Activision)

What's also not clear is the level of features the ranked dedi's they have "confirmed" will have. As I stated before they could decide to try to please everyone and have ranked dedi's without any kick/ban abilities (thus negating a huge reason for having dedi's in the first place... to combat cheating)

The facts of the matter are they have "confirmed" ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Which is why we need some CLEAR documention about what features the game will or will not have.

Oh and regarding your "question" about what I think ranked dedicated servers means... I already clearly stated that in this very thread... perhaps you didn't like that answer?

"Now think about "ranked dedicated servers" and what that means... Primarily a server browser with filters/favorites list, Admins to kick/ban hackers/troublemakers, Servers with various map rotations (even 24/7 map servers, or ones that exclude small maps)"

Re: Abolished IWnet

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:55:21 GMT

lastshooter wrote:

@ Crazy
Not sure whom your directing the statement about a question on servers.

With the definition you gave, that would be how an average player would define it and view it. For those that have pwned(sorry could'nt resist) and operated a server in their home the definition falls way short and vague at best.
Even one that's rented is far and above a browser with kick/ban and map features.

Dedicated server variables can reach well into over a hundred depending on the game. Something a "Treynet" server would not even come close to. In fact BO server variables were minimal at best.

Kawz was the one who asked the question...

"In their most basic form what do you think of when someone says to you "ranked dedicated server"? First thing that comes to mind, just spit it out... go!"

Which I had already posted an answer to all the way back on page 3... (so I don't get why he ignored it and said I didn't answer)

To the average player the most basic features of dedicated servers are, having a browser and the ability to filter, favorite, and choose where you play. Having admins to kick/ban cheaters/troublemakers. Having servers with various settings/map rotations/rules, etc...

Most players do not rent servers and so their definition of what they are would be vague.

BO was incredibly restrictive, but it did at least have those three basic features (even if admins had to resort to kicking for rules)

The only point I was trying to make in the first place is that their "confirmation" of "ranked dedicated servers" could concievably not include any of those three features... (I especially could see them removing the kick/ban abilities) and if they don't, then they may as well not even be called "dedicated servers" because it wouldn't be any better than P2P.

Kawz just had to argue that their "confirmation" is somehow solid proof that we are getting at least BO style servers, and that there is no way they would possibly add P2P alongside it. Both of which is not true. We will have no idea until the game launches.

Re: Confirmed PC Features (Updated 8/21/12)

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 15:17:40 GMT

BG-makaveli wrote:

-Ranked Dedicated Servers
Only the Vocal Minority of PC gamers cry on the web for Dedicated Servers its 100 times better to be able to form a party with your friends and instantly jump in to a game than to look trough a serverlist and try to connect for 10 minutes than try to be with ur friends in the same team for 10 more minnutes
Maybe if u improved them to be able to have a party system like "BFBC2 BF3 Crysis 2" those games run dedicated but they have party systems the server atleast tryes to put u and ur friends in the same team and they quickjoin options will black ops2 have theese otions or ur just gonna go with the 10 year old dedicated server engines again???

Actually it's the minority who prefers P2P matchmaking over proper ranked dedi's. The ability to choose what server you join and see the map, ping, etc is a MILLION times better than the ability to always be in a party with your friends against randoms (no challenge though so I guess that's why you like it)

It's actually funny to see all the people who cry for P2P because they want the ability to always team up with friends.... They really like P2P for 2 reasons. 1) They are in a party and up against randoms 99% of the time, thus making them feel superior when they easily stomp everyone... and 2) They like having random people to play against who don't know their cheap tactics/camping spots etc, and dislike having to play with "regulars" and adapt their tactics.

I play with friends every night, and the game would be stupidly boring if we were on the same team all the time because there would hardly ever be any challenge. We would win every game 2-0 (CTF) and it would just be too easy. (though again that explains why people like you prefer P2P)

Nothing is convenient about having a matchmaking algorythm match you with players on the other side of the planet, only to have to back out and try again and have it put you back in the same game... Twenty minutes later you find a non-laggy game and get one map before it kicks you back to the lobby and the entire process starts again. (and that doesn't even mention the FACT that P2P is an open platform for hackers to roam free without consequences)

Re: Just a voice, needs a few more...

donotreply@activision.com — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 14:45:13 GMT

Funny how I haven't been proven wrong yet. All I get are a bunch of pathetic responses like "UAV's are harder to get now" (they're actually easier) or "shoot them down" (proper snipers use pistols not stingers)

As for a notice, there wasn't anything like that noticable or mentioned by those who tried the multiplayer... AND it likely wouldn't be there for hardcore modes (since you know, the HUD is gone)

Also I love the pathetic "you could count to 5" comeback. You could count to 4 and move and you STILL won't know if your count was accurate.

Also NOBODY is willing to accept the FACT that copying the CoD4 (PC) mod that eliminated camping entirely is a FAR better solution. (if any non sniper player is stationary for X amount of time they put their weapon away, and taking it back out takes 2-3 seconds)

You all simply ignore that because you want to have red dots to chase.

Re: How long before cheaters ruin this game too??

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 15:53:05 GMT

There are in-game wallhacks.... Thus now spotting hackers will be 100 times harder, AND hackers will be able to use the game itself to hack. (example: millimeter scanners that can see everyone regardless of perk)

So the game is already a prime setup for hackers before it even launches.

FYI don't bother complaining about quickscopers anymore. With the change to ghost Treyarch is officially promoting quickscoping while punishing proper sniping. So while they may say they are against quickscoping, they are actually making changes in their game to promote it.

Re: Capture the Flag - Take Off Flag Carrier Icon

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 15:44:36 GMT

MrJDubbs11 wrote:

I played about 125 hours of HC CTF in Black Ops 1 and I think that system was right on the money.

The Icon should be controlled by a perk. You the flag carrier are not running lightweight you are running ghost. Therefore you cannot move as fast. The fact that ghost does not hide you if you are not moving in BO2 well I think we all can adjust to that. When you are running the flag you are going to be moving so you will be hidden. If your flag is out well then both teams will know where the flags are and the better team will be able to hunt their flag down and get a capture.

Sure you will not be able to huddle with the flag in the back part of the map you will need to keep moving but a good flag carrier would do that anyways.

Having the icon takes all the stealth and skill out of running flags.

I have over 1400 hours in BO, with at least 95% of that time spent on CTF servers. BO had it perfect.

The fact that ghost does not hide you unless you are moving isn't something anyone can "adjust" to. No matter what the time is (afaik it's 5 seconds) it is physically impossible for a human being to keep accurate track of time (you could count to 4 and move every time, but you'll never know if your count was too slow) So now a ghost user will NEVER know when they stop to reload, call in a killstreak, sight up on an enemy, etc, if they show on UAV.

A prime example - The enemy has your flag, and you know they're still somewhere on your side of the map. So you run out to a spot that allows you to watch the open area you know they'll be crossing. Oh but wait, you had to stop to watch that spot, so you now show on UAV... ghost is useless.

They already split the perk into THREE, with two in the SAME TIER... there was absolutely NO reason whatsoever to add the condition "must be moving" - It harms non-camper stealth playstyles more than it harms the actual campers. (Campers have always been easy to kill)

Also a good flag carrier WILL hide with the flag, and move when they are found. If a flag runner is moving around the map they are doing a BAD job. I can't even begin to count how many games we've lost because the flag runner ran around instead of staying hidden.

Hell most of the fun of CTF in BO is when both flags are gone and it's a game of who can find the enemy flag runner first. (which also heavily promotes teamwork since you need to rely on your team & communication to pinpoint their location) The change to ghost along with the killsign just remove the need for thought, skill, or teamwork from the equation.

In short the changes they are making to BO2 will only result in it being by far the easiest CoD game in the entire franchise.

Re: Just a voice, needs a few more...

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 14:59:23 GMT

I think that unlimited sprint may be a bit too much, but marathon should certainly allow you to sprint at least from one side of the map to the other and back without stopping (on a medium to large map)

The problem isn't that they're nerfing stuff, the problem is that they are taking it WAY too far.

Look at ghost for example - They split it into THREE perks, with TWO in the SAME TIER. Yet they still felt the need to nerf it further by putting the condition "must be mobile" for it to work.

They have essentially destroyed the ghost perk, rendering it completely 100% useless for anyone but a run n gunner. - Now a ghost user will NEVER know if they showed on UAV or not. When you stop to reload, call in a killstreak, check an open area with your sights, hell even stopping to sight up and shoot an enemy, a ghost user will always have to ask themselves "did I do that fast enough" and they will NEVER know for sure.

That is the biggest problem, now a ghost user will NEVER know if/when their perk is actually working. In all past CoD titles if you used the "stealth" perk then you KNEW if/when you were showing on UAV.

Bottom line, the nerfing and "balancing" they are doing have absolutely NOTHING to do with trying to actually "balance" the game. It is ALL being done in an effort to placate the children who come on the forums and scream "waaah my UAV doesn't work so ghost is OP" or "waaah the enemy took my flag and got away, marathon is OP"

As a result BO2 is going to be by far the easiest CoD game in the entire franchise.

Re: Don't complain about Ghost!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 14:46:02 GMT

The real problem is they have essentially destroyed the "stealth" perk for everyone except run n gunners. (Snipers are especially hit the hardest as proper snipers are now punished by always showing on UAV)

Now a ghost user will never have any idea if he showed up on the enemy UAV or not. When you stopped to reload, call in a killstreak, use your sights to check an open area, etc you'll ALWAYS have to ask yourself "did I do that fast enough" - and there is absolutely no way whatsoever to know when you ping on enemy UAV. (in past games you knew for 100% fact if you showed up or not)

They already split the perk into THREE, and put two of them in the SAME TIER!!! That was more than enough to sufficiently nerf the hell out of ghost.

They also could've copied CoD4 (PC) mods if they wanted to stop camping. - In CoD4 (PC) if you stop for X amount of time (usually around 10 secs) you put your weapon away, leaving yourself completely vulnerable. Taking the weapon back out took 2-3 seconds, and the only ones not affected where players holding a sniper rifle...

^^ Camping did not exist in CoD4 on PC because of that mod, and it did nothing to harm stealth gameplay. If they really wanted to stop camping they would've incorporated that mod into the game. Their ultimate nerfing of ghost was done for one reason and one reason alone, to placate the children who scream "waaah my UAV isn't working, ghost is OP"

The most pathetic thing is some of the replies the red dot chasers try to come up with to defend the change. My personal favorite is "but uav's are harder to get now" - Yeah they take 1 extra kill, yet you earn them by playing the objective, thus they are actually EASIER to get.

BO2 is going to be by far the easiest CoD in the franchise because of these changes.

Re: Capture the Flag - Take Off Flag Carrier Icon

donotreply@activision.com — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 02:05:40 GMT

I hope the flag carrier icon is gone, or at the VERY least they give us the option to choose whether we have it on or off on our server (PC version)

I never understood how ANYONE could think that a giant kill sign giving away the flag carrier's position could be a good thing in ANY way. All it does is cause people to NOT play the objective, because nobody wants to grab the flag and put a killsign over their head.

MW3 was the first CoD title where I played CTF and saw entire games go by without one person ever trying to grab a flag.. CTF in MW3 is pretty much just TDM with static spawns.

If they're going to put a killsign over the flag carrier in CTF, they may as well put one over the bomb carrier in S&D also. After all it's just as game breaking for CTF as it would be if it was in S&D.

Re: Abolished IWnet

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:19:38 GMT

kawz wrote:

poison_pawn wrote:

I guess they don't teach logic in school any more:

Why would infinity ward do away with dedicated servers all together after modern warfare1?

Why do I need to login to steam, to play a stand alone PC game? why would EA start using origin? or Microsoft start up with Xbox live on it's PC games?
Why do they charge us for simple DLC (Im not talking expansion packs)
Why would treyarch lock devars, and and contract with an exclusive GSP?
Why do you suppose there are people asking: What is a dedicated server?
What the H3ll does balance across platforms mean?
( these are all rhetorical questions by the way)

With the advent of the gaming console; the face of the digital gaming industry has changed drastically.
And you would be wise not to take anything for granted.

I don't feel like trying to explain all this to you; suffice to say you need to start looking at the bigger picture.

Oh I see, you're trying to be cute and so have decided to talk about the consolization of the gaming industry.

Bf4 will be here in 2013, perhaps 2014. Will that be a PC title? You bet it will.

Will the November 2013 CoD be on the PC? You bet it will.

The answers to your rhetorical questions are elementary, and no it's not because the gaming industry is trying to console-ize PC gaming.

I could answer your questions with common sense answers, but I'll leave that as an exercise for you. It might do you good to think a bit more about 'em.

Bottom line: Since IWnet was introduced for Mw2 there have/will be 4 CoD titles

Mw2 had it.
Mw3 had it.
Black Ops didn't.
Black Ops 2 won't.

Why?

For starters if you can't see how BF4 will be a console title PORTED to PC then you are quite simply an idiot. (or you have never played one of the REAL PC only Battlefield games)

It is absurd how much Battlefield 3 was held back BECAUSE IT IS ON CONSOLE! The size of the maps, the # of maps, the flight ceiling, squads, along with MANY other features were downsized and/or stripped because the CONSOLES cannot handle it.

MW2 BO and MW3 have all been on the same trend of consolization. They make fewer smaller and simpler maps, they remove many PC features, and they completely ignore the PC community. (they only care about feedback from console gamers)

Bottom line the gaming industry IS being consolized and that is a VERY BAD THING! Consoles are SEVERELY limited in what they can do. In fact I can pretty much guarantee if BF3 had been a PC only title, it would have so many more maps, vehicles, weapons, features, etc. that the current state of the game would look like a demo...

Game companies like Activision are even actively trying to sabotage their PC ports so the customers move to consoles. (They love it when a PC player says they're buying an Xbox to play CoD) One only has to look at the disaster that is MW3, and the way Activision lied, cheated, and screwed over the PC community to see that clearly.

Only a complete idiot would believe the BS that the gaming companies spew about their "seperate PC dev teams" or how they are "making the game for PC first"

As far as your little comback about IWnet... If you actually paid attention and READ the posts, you would notice that it would be called TREYNET (Not IWnet) which WAS used in Black Ops 1 on consoles...

I say again only a complete fool would take their statement of "ranked dedicated servers confirmed" at face value. That statement really tells us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Re: Ghost Perk. Pulsed timing? Constant?

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:52:40 GMT

The bottom line is the change to ghost was a horribly bad design decision. Now a ghost user will never know if they show up on UAV or not (unless they run n gun).

Did you move enough? When you stopped to reload, call in a killstreak ,etc, did you do it fast enough? There is no way whatsoever to know if your perk is working or not.

They had a mod for CoD4 (PC) that eliminated camping entirely. If any player without a sniper rifle in hand stopped moving for X amount of time (usually around 10 seconds) they would simply put their weapon away... Taking the weapon back out takes 2-3 seconds, thus camping did not exist.

^^ THAT is what they would've done if they wanted to "combat camping" In reality this is nothing but a move to cater to all the children who scream on the forums "Waaah my UAV isn't helping so Ghost must be soooooo overpowered"

There are three things about this change that I find absolutely pathetic...

1) Treyarch has stated in the past that they are against quickscoping....then they change ghost in a way that will render the perk completely 100% useless to real snipers... Thus they promote quickscoping by punishing real snipers... yet at the same time they claim to be against it.

2) The "ghost campers" that almost all the children cry about are barely going to be affected by this change. They are skilled at "camping" because they are constantly on the move, checking corners, doubling back, keeping an area locked down. (and since they're almost always mobile, they'll remain invisible)

3) Those hardest hit are usually the ones at the bottom of the scoreboard anyway (you know the ones with 5 kills and 20+ deaths) They are the real campers (ie people who sit in one spot waiting for a kill) and they are pathetically easy to kill. Very rarely will they ever get more than 2 or 3 kills before being killed, and then they die several more times trying to get back into one of their "camping spots"

So quickscoping is officially promoted by Treyarch. (despite what they say) People will continue to whine and cry about "ghost campers" and the horrible players will have even worse stats and drag their team down even more. (instead of 5-20 it will be 2-40 lol)

Oh and lets not forget that the # of hackusations will skyrocket.

Re: Dear moderators and people who are in charge of the forum: Please make a hardcore and core forum.

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:32:00 GMT

Agree 100% Especially since you know 99% of all the complains about "campers" "OP weapons" or "OP perks" is from softcore players. (Especially the OP weapon whiners)

Their changes in order to cater to the no skilled Xbox children (most of whom play softcore) is going to absolutely ruin the game for skilled competitive players (by removing all playstyles and making the game stupidly easy)

Sad part is if they dropped softcore entirely and just had two hardcore modes, one with ff off and a hud, the other with ff on and no hud, almost ALL the whining would stop overnight. No weapon, perk, attatchment, or killstreak would be called "OP" by whining softcore players.

Re: Abolished IWnet

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 13:22:10 GMT

kawz wrote:

I don't know how "ranked dedicated server" could possibly lead anyone to act like the game is launching without servers at all. Oh well I guess.

I thought I explained it pretty well... Just look at MW3 for example.

A "CoD4 style" server (even unranked) would've meant we should have had access to the dvars (It's unranked no reason why not) Things like changing score limit, # of rounds, turning flag icons on/off, are basic features of "CoD4 style" servers...

MW3 unranked dedi's have NONE of those options. They don't even have proper server logs!! There is nothing about them even remotely like a "CoD4 style server" (Except maybe that they're both called servers)

Now think about "ranked dedicated servers" and what that means... Primarily a server browser with filters/favorites list, Admins to kick/ban hackers/troublemakers, Servers with various map rotations (even 24/7 map servers, or ones that exclude small maps)

We could get our "ranked dedicated servers" in BO2 without any of those features. No browser (just matchmaking to connect to servers) No admins (if they can't kick/ban they may as well not even be there) Stock map rotations (no ability to set up rotations of certain maps or avoid other maps altogether) -- If anything even remotely like that happens, then the "ranked dedicated servers" they give us would be no better than P2P.

They haven't said anything other than "ranked dedicated servers confirmed" so just like MW3 we have no clue in reality what we are getting. Another reason why NO company ever (especially gaming companies) should ever use Twitter... How anyone can prefer one sentence long tidbits that say NOTHING over well documented information is beyond me.